What do you think of the scientific evidence that suggests it takes intelligence to see intelligence?
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New Theory: Why More Intelligent People Tend to be Less Religious
- Thread starter Sunstone
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What do you think of the scientific evidence that suggests it takes intelligence to see intelligence?
Study? Which of the dozens of studies that have all reached the same conclusion are you referring to? Or are you talking without having read the article again?
Vaderecta
Active Member
Honestly I don't see how a belief in a god would make you less intelligent. This seems like a very biased argument. Yes we can go by numbers and atheists tend to live in more affluent environments and they are because of that more free to express their beliefs but that doesn't mean they're more intelligent. (Perhaps you are measuring luck?)
from the article linked to in the OP said:
Fifty-three studies finding essentially the same thing is quite a few studies to be arguing against based only on your personal inability to fathom how it's possible that there could be a reliable negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity.
Vaderecta
Active Member
Make it 100? I don't believe in a god but I don't see how that belief makes me any smarter than when I did believe in a god. Or how I could now go up to anyone and say look... you believe in a god... studies say your are probably pretty dumb... maybe not... You could be an outlier... but look at these studies... you are probably dumb for believing in a god... Just saying....
Sure Sunstone... There are studies that show lots of things... You've been here a long time. It's not my personal inability to fathom that it might be possible that theists are dumber than atheists.... I'm sure in a few minutes on google I could find studies that show the opposite. You and I both know it is nonsense. You can not judge intelligence based upon one factor of do you believe in god or not. (That seems obvious?)
Go ahead. Find 53 peer reviewed studies showing the opposite. Make my day.
You either did not read the article at all, or you did not read it with understanding.
Vaderecta
Active Member
Even the article you linked casts more suspicion than you do... It says IF religion is an instinct and THEN it becomes heightened in time of stress... My argument is simply if you believe in god or if you don't we don't have enough information to cast any idea of how intelligent you are.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I take it you are totally unaware of the extensive body of science supporting the notion that human religiosity is deeply rooted in our genes, which has been accumulating for at least the past twenty years. Google is your friend here. Go for it.
FutureFaith
New Member
The message of atheism is the definition of atheism, the message of the disbelief in any deities. I would go one step further though and state that more atheists are also a - (without) spirituality, or supernatural events as well. When members of an atheist organization criticize religion they often criticize all religions, or at least the biggest player in the room - Christianity. When Christians promote themselves they make themselves out to sound as nutty as all the other religions they invalidate. Atheism has the liberty to say that it isn't a religion.
But does that mean anything?
Vaderecta
Active Member
You are aware that deeply rooted in our genes and then stating it has been accumulating for the past twenty years is asinine? What if we are over twenty? This is a complete misdirection by you. If you believe in god or if you do not says nothing about your overall intelligence.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Maybe we should ask the Triple Nine Society.
Let me know when they get the definition right.
For god's sake, can you even read! Go back. read my post again. Do it as many times as is necessary for you to understand it. Even if it takes you a dozen times. Then once you have understood what I wrote, comment all you want. But as it is, you're just spouting stupid notions of what you think I said, not what I said.
Jesus! Some people can't be bothered to understand a damn thing. How in hell did they find their way onto a discussion board?
Vaderecta
Active Member
You are now quoting yourself. Take a step back. My argument is believing in god or not is not enough information to determine your intelligence. I get you think that there are outliers and there are so many studies that prove your point and I shouldn't maybe be allowed to discuss my opinion but really... It's one data point and its not a significant data point to clearly point in one direction or the other.
I take it that you have not noticed how pointless Pascal's Wager is, then?
Sunstone, I think you're getting too personally involved in this, its just a stupid study, based on statistics correctly or incorrectly applied,
you didn't mention what differences you found in intelligence, 5% 10%, overall is it outside the statistical margin of error, so many holes in this argument, no need to get all worked up about it.
Vaderecta
Active Member
That's a term of use only to creationists. Scientists don't have any reason to distinguish between evolution over shorter and longer periods of time.It's all evolution, not micro- or macro-evolution.
Two more such terms have apparently come from religious apologists: irreducible complexity and fine tuning cosmology. None of these ideas are useful to scientists or come from them.