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New vote count in Wisconsin and Michigan?
- Thread starter Shrew
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Of course which is why others are getting involved. My statement is Trumps team should get involved too.
Thats really the least of our worries. People will sometime try to vote as dead people.
Sure I considered that but don't really agree.
Any potential fraud has always been in trumps favor, even if he was the spouting off about it.
More accuracy and oversight for future elections. I see changes in Pennsylvania's vote auditing in the near future.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
That's the most of my worry. Who's to say that votes weren't revised or added after the election day cutoff?
That would be reason for a recount then, especially if there is a huge prevalence of what your saying.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My mother worked at a polling booth for many elections, and once the ballots were counted with observers present, they were then sealed, secured, and placed in a secured area at city hall in the city whereas I grew up-- or at least tried to. It would be a federal offense for anyone to tamper with them.
The word(s) of the day.....
death rat·tle
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death rat·tle
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- a gurgling sound heard in a dying person's throat.
- a recount of a lost election
Unless a PAC is paying for this and we are told they are not, contributions to Stein need to meet FEC laws. This means anything over a $2,000 donation for Stein is an illegal contribution and cannot be accepted by Wisconsin as payment for the recount. The estimated fee for a recount must be paid by tomorrow, so the question is does the Stein campaign actually have the money cash ready or is it just pledges? Wisconsin will not accept pledges. The payment is due tomorrow by 4:30pm.
My question is, how would a recount of any votes made electronically (verse paper) change anything? It wouldn’t even be a recount, actually. The results are in the database, the computer totals it, not one of those votes will “flip” when the recount happens, the computer will simply now tally the exact same votes but at high speed and the exact same result will be the outcome.
Wisconsin election officials said today – Monday - that they would oversee a fast and fair recount of the presidential vote to meet federal deadlines so they just declined a request to conduct the new tally by hand. Turn on your TV and see the facts.
I do not think any recount in Pennsylvania will see the light of day despite filing today due to the stipulations about providing “proof” for cause to recount.
If the recounts do not happen or only partially happen, Stein has stated in her website NO REFUNDS to donations. But most of these have been anonymous for obvious reasons so I do not expect those donating ever expected a refund. So then Stein gets money for her “campaign” even though the money is actually coming from the Clintonistas and Soros, so this is just funding for her campaign party chest. Pretty disgusting actually, this will all probably turn out to be a sucker game to get money.
The real voter fraud is in California. We have many cases of Republican ballots being found in the SF bay. And we have hundreds of thousands of foreigners who are illegal aliens who are voting but do not have any right to vote and all of these go to Hillary and such scum. Essentially, the criminal and illegal aliens get paid free stuff, that is their salary for doing only one job which is to vote Democrat. Trump not only won the Electoral College by a landslide getting 306, he also won the popular vote and every analyst who deals in facts knows that because to save money in states where overwhelmingly won they figured even if you counted every single absentee ballot for Hillary it would in no way change anything so they simply didn't count these but in these same states overwhelmingly the same absentees would have gone Trump - that alone is of interest, but we can just throw that aside and Trump still won the popular vote as well because you have to subtract 2.6 million (minimum) illegal alien votes that don't actually count though most fair analysts say the number is actually higher, and Trump won the popular vote by almost 1 million votes.
We should have a recount in California and a complete investigation of voter fraud here in my state. I bet Trump will get something started in that venue after he gets sworn in as President.
My question is, how would a recount of any votes made electronically (verse paper) change anything? It wouldn’t even be a recount, actually. The results are in the database, the computer totals it, not one of those votes will “flip” when the recount happens, the computer will simply now tally the exact same votes but at high speed and the exact same result will be the outcome.
Wisconsin election officials said today – Monday - that they would oversee a fast and fair recount of the presidential vote to meet federal deadlines so they just declined a request to conduct the new tally by hand. Turn on your TV and see the facts.
I do not think any recount in Pennsylvania will see the light of day despite filing today due to the stipulations about providing “proof” for cause to recount.
If the recounts do not happen or only partially happen, Stein has stated in her website NO REFUNDS to donations. But most of these have been anonymous for obvious reasons so I do not expect those donating ever expected a refund. So then Stein gets money for her “campaign” even though the money is actually coming from the Clintonistas and Soros, so this is just funding for her campaign party chest. Pretty disgusting actually, this will all probably turn out to be a sucker game to get money.
The real voter fraud is in California. We have many cases of Republican ballots being found in the SF bay. And we have hundreds of thousands of foreigners who are illegal aliens who are voting but do not have any right to vote and all of these go to Hillary and such scum. Essentially, the criminal and illegal aliens get paid free stuff, that is their salary for doing only one job which is to vote Democrat. Trump not only won the Electoral College by a landslide getting 306, he also won the popular vote and every analyst who deals in facts knows that because to save money in states where overwhelmingly won they figured even if you counted every single absentee ballot for Hillary it would in no way change anything so they simply didn't count these but in these same states overwhelmingly the same absentees would have gone Trump - that alone is of interest, but we can just throw that aside and Trump still won the popular vote as well because you have to subtract 2.6 million (minimum) illegal alien votes that don't actually count though most fair analysts say the number is actually higher, and Trump won the popular vote by almost 1 million votes.
We should have a recount in California and a complete investigation of voter fraud here in my state. I bet Trump will get something started in that venue after he gets sworn in as President.
How so?
buddhist
Well-Known Member
If votes were somehow added after the cutoff, then a recount could be invalid.
Mainly but not limited to voting restrictions and gerrymandering. North Carolina Texas and Arizona are top of the gerrymandering list.
They have ways of checking things like that.
How do we know the gerrymandering benefited only him?
More Jill Stein news.....
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/jill-stein-michigan-election-recount/94680194/
It's funny how the pundits criticized Trump as a crazy conspiracy theorist
for warning about vote count corruption, yet Jill Stein is actually wasting
our money with her own pointless challenges. She is one loopy lady.
I only wish she had to pay out of her own pocket.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/jill-stein-michigan-election-recount/94680194/
It's funny how the pundits criticized Trump as a crazy conspiracy theorist
for warning about vote count corruption, yet Jill Stein is actually wasting
our money with her own pointless challenges. She is one loopy lady.
I only wish she had to pay out of her own pocket.
She's using money specifically donated for the purpose of conducting the recounts. If you didn't donate to the recount fund, then you really can't make the claim that it is "our money."
What she gives us is much less than the projected cost.
After one day of recounts in Wisconsin, with the recount of Menominee County completed, Hillary netted 1 extra vote with Trump in the lead still by over 22,000 votes in that State. There are 72 counties in Wisconsin, Menomiee County has a population of about 4,500. The largest county in population is Milwakee County with a population of about 950,000. The others average about 50,000.
In the original count before the recount, Menominee County went heavily Clinton with Trump getting 269 votes and Hillary got 1003. After the recount she netted 1 extra vote in Menominee County.
In the original count before the recount, Milwaukee County gave Trump 126,091 votes and Hillary 288,986.
There were 2,975,313 votes total in Wisconsin. If Clinton maintains the current rate of adding about 1 vote every 1,272 votes, she would net an extra 2,340 votes which is 19,660 votes short of flipping the state to Hillary.
It isn't going to happen. And at the current pace of the recount, it looks like the recount won't be completed until after 21 days. The recount has a deadline of Dec 12 8pm to be completed, which is 11 days from now. The recount may not be completed by then. If they miss the deadline, the State must certify the results and Trump wins. A county that is still recounting may try to sue for an extension, but no such extension was granted by the Supreme Court in Florida in 2000 in which Bush had a slim lead of about 506 votes in Florida, so there is probably no chance the Court would extend the deadline for completing the recount in Wisconsin where Trump won by over 22,000 votes. It's not going to happen.
So the recount will be completed by any means, but nothing is going to change the outcome unless some Democratic operatives intend to cheat but even that didn't work in Florida. So Trump will still hold a lead of 20,000 plus votes. There has been no proof of voter fraud that would have benefited Trump. However, it does look like it could be possible a few votes that went for Hillary probably should have been for Stein.
In the original count before the recount, Menominee County went heavily Clinton with Trump getting 269 votes and Hillary got 1003. After the recount she netted 1 extra vote in Menominee County.
In the original count before the recount, Milwaukee County gave Trump 126,091 votes and Hillary 288,986.
There were 2,975,313 votes total in Wisconsin. If Clinton maintains the current rate of adding about 1 vote every 1,272 votes, she would net an extra 2,340 votes which is 19,660 votes short of flipping the state to Hillary.
It isn't going to happen. And at the current pace of the recount, it looks like the recount won't be completed until after 21 days. The recount has a deadline of Dec 12 8pm to be completed, which is 11 days from now. The recount may not be completed by then. If they miss the deadline, the State must certify the results and Trump wins. A county that is still recounting may try to sue for an extension, but no such extension was granted by the Supreme Court in Florida in 2000 in which Bush had a slim lead of about 506 votes in Florida, so there is probably no chance the Court would extend the deadline for completing the recount in Wisconsin where Trump won by over 22,000 votes. It's not going to happen.
So the recount will be completed by any means, but nothing is going to change the outcome unless some Democratic operatives intend to cheat but even that didn't work in Florida. So Trump will still hold a lead of 20,000 plus votes. There has been no proof of voter fraud that would have benefited Trump. However, it does look like it could be possible a few votes that went for Hillary probably should have been for Stein.