Newton - The Last Of The Magicians

[Native]

Resuming . . .

Einstein DID NOT discard Newtons gravity??? Newtons laws apply in our solar system and GR applies to the rest of the universe.

Isn´t our Solar Sysem a part of the Universe? Why would there be 2 kinds of gravitational laws at all? This is inconsistent and therefore false.

You should learn physics first, then try and debunk it.

Scientists should learn logics and natural philosophy before making such speculations.

Science makes data then tests and re-tests and make reasonable assumptions. There are piles of evidence here for dark matter and they are still just saying "most likely"
Do you know why? Because they are still being openminded whether something is fully understood or not.

Yes they do - except they of course cannot make scientific tests of anything in outher space. The only "test" they can make, is whether their calculations fits to their cosmological theory and regarding "dark matter", this was/is just a "galactic assumption and invention", which later on have lead to "Dark Ghost at all Cosmology" all over the places.

Of course if counting on the invention of "dark matter", standard cosmologists can find lots of observations, which fits to their perceptions of a cosmological theory, to which several cosmologists frequently says: "We don´t know".

You insist EU is right and gravity is wrong based on NO GOOD EVIDENCE and now when science is cautious you say it like it's bad??

You´re twisting my statement and conclusion. My point was just that standard cosmologists in fact have NO evidences at all for "dark matter", just assumptions which fits to their cosmological theory.

Of course standard cosmologists can find "piles of evidences for dark matter" when they insert this unseen dark thing everywhere in order to fit the calculations of their gravitational perceptions, but inserting metaphysical matter isn´t evidences at all.

 

[ecco]

Isn´t our Solar Sysem a part of the Universe? Why would there be 2 kinds of gravitational laws at all? This is inconsistent and therefore false.

The "laws" are tools to help us measure and predict.

I guess you believe that the tools you use to measure the distance from your bedroom to your bathroom are the same tools used to measure the distance from the earth to the sun.

Oh, wait...I'm on your ignore list. Oh, well.

 

[Native]

Subject: A Natural Cosmology.

When looking at the several standing theories in cosmology, it is obvious to mee that a common and natural theory is needed. It is also obvious to me that modern cosmology generally have lost all connections to the natural reality.

If I should recommend cosmologists to become more naturally founded, I most certainly would recommend them to focus on Bio Chemistry and Bio Electro Magnetism.

Anybody here would now by know that I´m a proponent for an Electric Universe, independent of standing theories as such. I have my focus on the very electromagnetic qualities and I have my own approach.

The EM formation everywhere takes place when an electic current i.e. Light hits a cosmic cloud of gas and particles. This formation process also taces place in the process of the human creation:

The Sperm = Predominantly a Light Impulse
The Egg Cell = Predominantly Gas and Particles

When the sperm penetrates the egg cell a light glimps occurs at the conception and the egg cell begins to revolve. Video: Flash of Light at Conception - (Timestamp 7:40)

When the Egg is fertilized, the cell division starts via the magnetic quality of attraction and repulsion, and the induced magnetism creates perpendicular motions which causes the divisions of cells.

When the initial Egg cell divisions are finished, the Egg moves to the womb, having a dominant attractive quality which makes the coming baby grow.

After the nine month period, the baby has reached the critical weight and the initial attractive qualty in the cell and in the mother begins to prepare for an repulsive motion from its mother and the birth takes place.

This is the natural process of formation everywhere, from the life on Earth and in the natural formation in the center of our Milky Way galaxy.

It´s very simple and natural and modern cosmologist could learn everything neccesary from the Science of Bio-Chemistry and Bio Electromagnetism.

In these scientific departments, scientist don´t invent all kinds of "dark this and that" and all processes can be observed directly and without any intellectual fancy speculations.

Remember this saying: As Above - so Below. It´s only our imaginative skills which either hinders us or provides us to get the overall ideas and knowledge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The "laws" are tools to help us measure and predict.

I guess you believe that the tools you use to measure the distance from your bedroom to your bathroom are the same tools used to measure the distance from the earth to the sun.

Oh, wait...I'm on your ignore list. Oh, well.

Welcome to the club. And for a good time read @Native 's most recent post.

 

[Native]

We live in an Universe of Light

In timestamp 0:42 Pope Pius XII, took it as the primordial event of the biblical "Let there be Light" creation, not knowing that the biblical story of creation specifically speaks of an pre-creation and factual creation of our Milky Way and NOT of the entire Universe.

When studying the other and numerous cultural Stories of Creation, it is obvious that they all deal with the creation of our Milky Way and the Solar System which was the ancient known part of the observable Universe.

Having been aware of this religious and mythical fact, both Lemaitre and Pope Pius never would have accepted a Big Bang ideology at all.

Read also this article: "Magnetic Fields in Spiral Galaxies".

 

[Native]

When Mind Games Masquerade as Physics

Of course the solution to this crisis is to look at the Electric Universe theory and get rid of the outdated Standard Model Theory and all it´s "gravitational particle science" and "dark this and that" patches in the speculative ideas.

 

[ecco]

When Mind Games Masquerade as Physics

Of course the solution to this crisis is to look at the Electric Universe theory and get rid of the outdated Standard Model Theory and all it´s "gravitational particle science" and "dark this and that" patches in the speculative ideas.

Within the first two minutes of the video, we see the typical approach so often used by the woosters; take a bit of actual science and twist it and turn it to present a nonsensical scenario. It's intellectually dishonest. It's intentionally dishonest. The fact that Native would post it says a lot about Native.

 

[cladking]

Newton could be considered the last of the magicians only if his magic had no basis in reality and his intuitions produced false results. But he was quite correct that ancient people understood reality and science. They understood that the planet was spherical by 40,000 BC.

The great irony is that he found pretty much what he was looking for when he studied the Great Pyramid! He was seeking the gravitational constant and he found a corollary to his own third law of motion without recognizing it. Indeed, he even translated it from a more ancient language. He never understood or even suspected the nature of alchemy but this is hardly surprising in light of the lack of evidence with which he worked.

Newton was likely the second greatest mind in history right behind Imhotep. He was one of a handful of people after the collapse of the Tower of Babel to seek the formatting of reality itself. He was one of even fewer to try to expunge superstition from his methods.

If he were alive today with modern knowledge and tools his work would be far more transformative than what he actually did.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Newton could be considered the last of the magicians only if his magic had no basis in reality and his intuitions produced false results. But he was quite correct that ancient people understood reality and science. They understood that the planet was spherical by 40,000 BC.

The great irony is that he found pretty much what he was looking for when he studied the Great Pyramid! He was seeking the gravitational constant and he found a corollary to his own third law of motion without recognizing it. Indeed, he even translated it from a more ancient language. He never understood or even suspected the nature of alchemy but this is hardly surprising in light of the lack of evidence with which he worked.

Newton was likely the second greatest mind in history right behind Imhotep. He was one of a handful of people after the collapse of the Tower of Babel to seek the formatting of reality itself. He was one of even fewer to try to expunge superstition from his methods.

If he were alive today with modern knowledge and tools his work would be far more transformative than what he actually did.

40, 000 years ago, huh? Sure, why not?

 

[cladking]

40, 000 years ago, huh? Sure, why not?

I'd hardly be surprised if many animals understand this simple concept through direct observation of light and sound.

Only modern humans form models of reality based on their beliefs and see their world ONLY in terms of their beliefs.

Before the collapse of Ancient Language humans essentially modeled their knowledge as reality just like animals. They saw all things only in terms of their knowledge and theory.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I'd hardly be surprised if many animals understand this simple concept through direct observation of light and sound.

Only modern humans form models of reality based on their beliefs and see their world ONLY in terms of their beliefs.

Before the collapse of Ancient Language humans essentially modeled their knowledge as reality just like animals. They saw all things only in terms of their knowledge and theory.

I see many words, I see little evidence.

 

[cladking]

I see many words, I see little evidence.

Such is life for us.

We see what we expect and are blind to what we don't expect. We hear mere words when they don't agree with us. We see no evidence that contradicts what we believe.

It doesn't matter no two experts agree in explaining reality and neither can make prediction. It doesn't matter why Newton studied alchemy because we all know it's nonsense. Nothing matters because our minds are made up.

Translation of Issac Newton c. 1680.

1) Tis true without lying, certain most true.

2) That wch is below is like that wch is above that wch is above is like yt wch is below to do ye miracles of one only thing. 3) And as all things have been arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this

one thing by adaptation. 4) The Sun is its father, the moon its mother, 5) the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse. 6) The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here. 7) Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth. 7a) Seperate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great indoustry. 8) It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven again it desends to ye earth and receives ye force of things superior inferior. 9) By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.

10) Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing penetrates every solid thing. 11a) So was ye world created. 12) From this are do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is here in this. 13) Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of ye whole world. 14) That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished ended.

We now know just about everything and we certainly know ancient people were superstitious and ignorant savages who stumbled on the ability to create agriculture and cities. It all makes perfect sense to us that writing was invented in 3200 BC but recorded history didn't start until 1200 years later. We all know the Bible is merely wrong when it says there was once a common language and now we all speak confused language.

No, nobody sees any evidence until it agrees with what they already believe.

 

[ecco]

But he was quite correct that ancient people understood reality and science. They understood that the planet was spherical by 40,000 BC.

Do you have anything to back up that comment?


ETA: None of your comments since your original post have shown that you have any evidence. So we must take it that you have none. Furthermore, we must accept that your comment was, at best, nothing more than a big "IMHO" "WAG".

 

[ecco]

He was one of even fewer to try to expunge superstition from his methods.

That's funny.

 

[cladking]

That's funny.

I was sure it would strike you that way.

The reality is that science was invented to remove preconceptions from results. This is what experiments and precision are all about. We should know that we see what we believe and this is why we perform experiment at all. There's no magic in metaphysics; there is only a means to knowledge and understanding that knowledge (throw in creation and you have the trinity).

Good scientists recognize many of their own superstition and try to expunge them in EVERY step of the scientific method. People like Einstein and Feynman come closest in the modern age.

 

[cladking]

Do you have anything to back up that comment?


ETA: None of your comments since your original post have shown that you have any evidence. So we must take it that you have none. Furthermore, we must accept that your comment was, at best, nothing more than a big "IMHO" "WAG".

EVERYTHING backs it up but why proceed until you have acknowledged the points made so far? You'll never see the forest if you refuse to see the trees.

 

[ecco]

I was sure it would strike you that way.

The reality is that science was invented to remove preconceptions from results. This is what experiments and precision are all about. We should know that we see what we believe and this is why we perform experiment at all. There's no magic in metaphysics; there is only a means to knowledge and understanding that knowledge (throw in creation and you have the trinity).

Good scientists recognize many of their own superstition and try to expunge them in EVERY step of the scientific method. People like Einstein and Feynman come closest in the modern age.

OK. Then why did you post:

He (Newton) was one of even fewer to try to expunge superstition from his methods.

Were you not aware...?

https://io9.gizmodo.com/10-famous-scientists-who-held-surprising-supernatural-b-1689425142
1. Sir Isaac Newton and His Belief in the Occult
It may surprise folks who are familiar only with Sir Issac Newton's mathematical and scientific contributions that Newton was profoundly interested in the occult. Newton was a devout Anglican and an alchemist — neither of which was unusual for an English scientist in the 17th and 18th centuries. (Although many of Newton's particular religious beliefs, particularly his anti-Trinitarianism, would have been considered heretical at the time.) Still, it's can be difficult for some modern readers to reconcile Newton's mathematical descriptions of the universe with his obsessions with Biblical numerology, astrology, and a quest for the Philosopher's Stone.

Newton made no distinction between the scientific and the mystical.​

 

[ecco]

EVERYTHING backs it up but why proceed until you have acknowledged the points made so far? You'll never see the forest if you refuse to see the trees.

What is there to acknowledge? What points have you made? I don't see a forest or even a few trees. All I see are baseless assertions. The biggest one concerned mankind's knowledge of a spherical earth 40,000 years ago.

 

[cladking]

OK. Then why did you post:



Were you not aware...?

https://io9.gizmodo.com/10-famous-scientists-who-held-surprising-supernatural-b-1689425142
1. Sir Isaac Newton and His Belief in the Occult
It may surprise folks who are familiar only with Sir Issac Newton's mathematical and scientific contributions that Newton was profoundly interested in the occult. Newton was a devout Anglican and an alchemist — neither of which was unusual for an English scientist in the 17th and 18th centuries. (Although many of Newton's particular religious beliefs, particularly his anti-Trinitarianism, would have been considered heretical at the time.) Still, it's can be difficult for some modern readers to reconcile Newton's mathematical descriptions of the universe with his obsessions with Biblical numerology, astrology, and a quest for the Philosopher's Stone.

Newton made no distinction between the scientific and the mystical.​

There is no distinction between what we call "science" and what you call "mysticism". There are better ways to say this and you'd see some of them in my previous posts. Newtonian Physics is a means to describe reality but it only provides a spectrum of reality and we must fill in (extrapolation and interpolation) around these points of light. What you choose to call "mysticism' is in actuality reality itself expressed in the confusion of modern language. Most everything that doesn't arise from experiment still derives from ancient science but we can't see it because we can't think like the ancients. We can't see it because ancient vocabulary was mostly unaffected when the pidgin form of the language became the official language(s) at the "tower of babel".

Newton was remarkably correct about many many things and I'm sure it was because of his finely honed intuition. He knew on some levels that ancient people had science and it was far more advanced than anything he could ever dream of. Even today we have not caught up in many fields and especially in aspects of life sciences and biology.

"8) With great capacity it ascends from earth to heaven. Again it descends to earth, and takes back the power of the above and the below."

We have no idea of this man's genius. He was wrong about so few things in an era of darkness and superstition.

Now the darkness is returning because we would rather believe in our own omniscience than to know the truth. We now have "soup of the day science" geared to making the rich richer and the rest into slaves.

 

[Willamena]

Hello All,
I´ve just watched a dramatizised documentary, mostly based on Newton´s "secret boks of papers" which was opened about 200 years after his death. The papers revealed, amongst other topics, a deep interest for ancient cultures and their "World Perception".

Watch the video documentary here - "Newton the last of the Magicians" - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wjy2r

It is my claim that Newton didn´t grasp the full implications of the Ancient and the cultural numerous "Stories of Creation" - If he had, he never would have come up with his "gravitational ideas and laws".

Well, what do you say to this?

A marvelous film, thanks for sharing it.