Newton - The Last Of The Magicians

[cladking]

We can actually explain quite a lot about what happens in nuclei. I can suggest a few books if you are really interested.

My physics is a bit rusty and I'm caught up in too many other projects any longer. I've got my hands full and when I have a free moment I'm trying to understand ancient math and reinvent ancient science. It's not so complex I need much physics, I believe.

More accurately, I studied physics back in the '60's and '70's and never got beyond calculus anyway so I probably wouldn't understand much modern stuff.

 

[cladking]

Why would these be hard?

Last I heard nobody could even agree if electrons were waves or particles, both or neither.

Obviously the location of electrons in an atom affects the direction and speed after collisions. Obviously given sufficient time a butterfly flapping its wings in China will affect the location of electrons and affect every future collision. It's the old don't step on the bug paradox for time travelers on the atomic level.

 

[ecco]

On my side are the results of thousands of experiments that failed to turn lead into gold.

Also on my side is the fact that no one has discovered anything to suggest that stone age man was anything other than stone age man.

Lol!

Perhaps you can devise an experiment that shows you can or can't turn lead into gold but nobody else in the world has.

I don't have to devise an experiment. People have been trying for thousands of years - with no results.

Lol!"Alchemy" is a confusion of ancient chemistry. Most alchemists think they are searching for the ability to turn lead into gold but they're actually searching for something else; specifically the "philosopher's stone".

Yes, indeedy.
Alchemy - Wikipedia

It aims to purify, mature, and perfect certain objects.[2][4][5][n 1] Common aims were chrysopoeia, the transmutation of "base metals" (e.g., lead) into "noble metals" (particularly gold);[2] the creation of an elixir of immortality;[2] the creation of panaceas able to cure any disease; and the development of an alkahest, a universal solvent.[6] ...In Europe, the creation of a philosopher's stone was variously connected with all of these projects.​

Let's see.
No success with turning base metals into noble metals
No elixir of immortality
No panaceas to cure diseases
No philosopher's stone


Alchemy is right up there with walking through walls, communicating with the dead, and telepathy.

Lol!What we don't comprehend is that the meaning of Ancient Language is hidden in plain sight;

But I'm guessing that you do understand the meaning of the Ancient Language that is hidden in plain sight.

 

[ecco]

I have to believe that if Newton were alive today he could rediscover all this in mere weeks and start at least two new types of sciences.

That's a pretty safe comment to make. Unlike some of the other claims you have made, you don't have to support it with facts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Polymath257 , I found the element that I remembered. It is an example of an element that went from a half life of 7.87 +- .03 billion years to one that had a half life of 32.9 +- 2.0 years. a factor of over 200 million. What did they have to do to change the half life of an element this much? All they had to do was to remove the 75 electrons that orbited it:

Phys. Rev. Lett. 77, 5190 (1996) - Observation of Bound-State ${\mathit{\ensuremath{\beta}}}^{\ensuremath{-}}$ Decay of Fully Ionized ${}^{187}$Re: ${}^{187}$Re${\ensuremath{-}}^{187}$Os Cosmochronometry


In what sort of environment can one naturally strip off 75 electrons from an atom of Rhenium?

 

[ecco]

I will predict that when we are capable of using lead to manufacture gold that one, gold won't be worth much

When I was about ten, I read a comic book story that went something like this...

A man is literally down to his last dollar. He puts it into a bank and drinks an elixir that will make him sleep for 500 years.

He wakes up 500 years later and goes to the bank to get his dollar. He is astounded that, due to compound interest, he is now extremely wealthy. He instructs the bank to put all the money from the interest and all new interest into gold.

He drinks another shot of elixir, wakes up 500 years later and goes to the bank. He is told that he owns almost all the gold in the world.

He drinks another shot of elixir, wakes up 500 years later and sees that everything is made of gold. He stomps down to the bank to see what's going on. He is told that a comet passed close to the earth and turned all metals into gold making it essentially worthless. "However," said the banker "you still have your original $1.00"

That silly story is more meaningful than your green tablets, your ancient wisdom, your immortality drugs, and your lead-to-gold stories.

 

[ecco]

I was trying to teach a little physics to a bright 4 year old. I had just had the cobalt 60 out a couple years earlier trying to calibrate the geiger counter...

Before you found out that there wasn't much left, you were going to expose a 4-year-old to Cobalt 60.

Hmm or Uh huh. I don't know which.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Before you found out that there wasn't much left, you were going to expose a 4-year-old to Cobalt 60.

Hmm or Uh huh. I don't know which.

What? Are you implying that I can't walk down to my local drugstore, or perhaps hardware store, and buy some? Lowes has quite the inventory. Have you ever been in one?

EDIT: Darn, Lowes is fresh out. But one can order some on line:

Co-60 Radioactive Source - U41523 - Spectrum Techniques - Co-60S - Radioactivity - 3B Scientific

$50.00 for one micro curie of Cobalt 60. How much is that per pound?

Second edit: A bit over $25 trillion dollars.

 

[ecco]

Hmmm and Uh huh.

 

[cladking]

But I'm guessing that you do understand the meaning of the Ancient Language that is hidden in plain sight.

Like EVERYTHING hidden in plain sight all you have to do is look.

Think of it as "reading comprehension". Linguists are so busy parsing it that they can't see it breaks Zipf's Law and contains no words for "belief", "thought", or even taxonomic words. They not only missed the forest, they see no trees.

Meanwhile Ancient Language can't be translated into our languages because it is formatted differently and since every single word had only one fixed and concrete meaning it can not be parsed. I don't understand why Egyptologists don't understand me but it's obvious why they don't understand ancient Egyptian. They are holed up in their own little world in their own ivory towers where reality isn't sought through experiment or testing of artefacts but by consensus.

Newton failed because he lacked google and sufficient understanding of modern science. ...And still he came close because intuition and imagination will beat consensus in most cases.

Indeed, where consensus rules the experts will probably always be wrong. They have forgotten what "science" is. Without experiment and prediction there is no science at all.

 

[cladking]

Before you found out that there wasn't much left, you were going to expose a 4-year-old to Cobalt 60.

Hmm or Uh huh. I don't know which.

Even gamma radiation sources can be handled safely if you know what you're doing.

Even four year olds know to stand back when I do experiments.

 

[ecco]

Like EVERYTHING hidden in plain sight all you have to do is look.

This little girl looked and this little girl saw. She also convinced a great many very gullible people.

Think of it as "reading comprehension".

Think of it reading (and gullibly accepting) male bovine manure.

 

[ecco]

Meanwhile Ancient Language can't be translated into our languages because it is formatted differently and since every single word had only one fixed and concrete meaning it can not be parsed. I don't understand why Egyptologists don't understand me but it's obvious why they don't understand ancient Egyptian.

I'm always amazed that people with no education and training in a specific field somehow believe they know more than people who have spent lifetimes actually learning.

It's a good thing that all they can do is post on internet forums. Can you imagine if we allowed people to build airplanes based on the knowledge of the ancient ancients? Of course, if they built one for their own personal use, I wouldn't object.

They are holed up in their own little world in their own ivory towers where reality isn't sought through experiment or testing of artefacts but by consensus.

[sarcasm]
Yeah, sitting in an ivory tower trying to get a consensus from your peers doesn't lead to an understanding of reality. Posting on an internet forum does.
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Indeed, where consensus rules the experts will probably always be wrong. They have forgotten what "science" is. Without experiment and prediction there is no science at all.

How much experimenting have you done? What predictions have you made?





Have you even bothered to discuss your ideas with the other poster in this thread who also believes in the wisdom of the ancients?

 

[Polymath257]

My physics is a bit rusty and I'm caught up in too many other projects any longer. I've got my hands full and when I have a free moment I'm trying to understand ancient math and reinvent ancient science. It's not so complex I need much physics, I believe.

More accurately, I studied physics back in the '60's and '70's and never got beyond calculus anyway so I probably wouldn't understand much modern stuff.

Well, if you never got beyond calculus, you didn't really even do Newtonian mechanics. Quantum Mechanics is at least a couple steps beyond that.To do it right requires unbounded operators on Hilbert spaces.

 

[Polymath257]

Last I heard nobody could even agree if electrons were waves or particles, both or neither.

Obviously the location of electrons in an atom affects the direction and speed after collisions. Obviously given sufficient time a butterfly flapping its wings in China will affect the location of electrons and affect every future collision. It's the old don't step on the bug paradox for time travelers on the atomic level.

You are thinking of electrons classically, and that is incorrect. It isn't an either/or distinction with wave/particles. ALL quantum particles (not just electrons) have both aspects. The easiest way to think of it is that there is a probability wave for detecting particles.

It isn't the direction and speed, but the probability distributions that affect other probability distributions. In the case of separated, but entangled electrons, there is a higher (even perfect) correlation between what happens here and what happens in Beijing.

As for the butterfly getting stepped on while shooting at T-Rex, there is a LOT more to it than what you have pointed out, including quantum effects at that point

 

[Polymath257]

@Polymath257 , I found the element that I remembered. It is an example of an element that went from a half life of 7.87 +- .03 billion years to one that had a half life of 32.9 +- 2.0 years. a factor of over 200 million. What did they have to do to change the half life of an element this much? All they had to do was to remove the 75 electrons that orbited it:

Phys. Rev. Lett. 77, 5190 (1996) - Observation of Bound-State ${\mathit{\ensuremath{\beta}}}^{\ensuremath{-}}$ Decay of Fully Ionized ${}^{187}$Re: ${}^{187}$Re${\ensuremath{-}}^{187}$Os Cosmochronometry

In what sort of environment can one naturally strip off 75 electrons from an atom of Rhenium?

Very few. That is incredibly highly ionized. Even the surface of the sun won't do that. I didn't look at the article, but I would bet a particle accelerator.

 

[Polymath257]

Before you found out that there wasn't much left, you were going to expose a 4-year-old to Cobalt 60.

Hmm or Uh huh. I don't know which.

Yeah, doesn't sound that responsible. I also wonder how there was access to Co60.

 

[Polymath257]

What? Are you implying that I can't walk down to my local drugstore, or perhaps hardware store, and buy some? Lowes has quite the inventory. Have you ever been in one?

EDIT: Darn, Lowes is fresh out. But one can order some on line:

Co-60 Radioactive Source - U41523 - Spectrum Techniques - Co-60S - Radioactivity - 3B Scientific

$50.00 for one micro curie of Cobalt 60. How much is that per pound?

Second edit: A bit over $25 trillion dollars.

Yeah, don't try ordering it unless you have a permit to own radioactive materials.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah, don't try ordering it unless you have a permit to own radioactive materials.

I had a suspicion that it would not be that easy.

 

[Polymath257]

I had a suspicion that it would not be that easy.

Governments tend to take this type of thing very seriously. At the very least, you need a detailed experimental protocol in place as well as safety training and approved handling protocols.

Not something you buy off the shelf.

/E: Although I didn't look at Amazon.