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Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible
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Tiberius
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Or so the video below claims.
The List of Nine, which supposedly verify claims made in the Bible. (The narrator provides the relevant chapters and verses.)
1) A stone that confirms that Pontius Pilatus was the Prefect of Judea.Of course our young presenter in the video conveniently ignores all the evidence that disproves the Bible's historical accuracy, but this is to be expected. When cherry picking one never picks the "bad" cherries.
2) A tunnel was created under the city of David to carry water.
3) A clay cylinder describes how Sennacherib laid siege against various cities
4) A stone mentioning there was an Israelite king of the house of David.
5) A stone cites Omri as the king of Israel.
6) The remnants of a house was found that verifies the town of Nazareth existed in the first century AD.
7) A clay cylinder recounts Cyrus II declaration of human rights
8) The discovery of the pool of Siloam
9) A stone tablet shows the existence of the Hittites
In any case, even if all nine of the examples are true, one can only say, SO WHAT? What's so amazing (as the narrator would like the viewer to believe) about historical events showing up in the Bible? Heck, even if the Bible was a pure fabrication from Genesis to Revelation, the fabricator would certainly have been astute enough to include historical facts to make the thing appear genuine---it's why counterfeiters go to such extremes to make their money appear real. In this case it's like expecting the viewer to get excited because the Bible mentions the Mediterranean Sea, or that the Sun sets in the west. SO WHAT?
Nope, it's stupid stuff like this video that fill the believer with unjustified confidence in his faith. Do Christians really need to be duped so as to hold onto their faith? . . . . . . . . . . . . . maybe so, but it's not pretty.
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I could easily post nine pieces of evidence that prove that Star Trek is real...
MJFlores
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That is why we have a 66 book insurance policy
so we could read the fine details of the insurance plan
No one is going to give me a break on my birthday?
Relax.
If my God does not exist, you have nothing to worry about.
MJFlores
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Maybe it deserve a second look:
If God hates people that claim he is a liar you are in trouble. Yep.
If God is not your Christian God you are in trouble. No such god, proper term God of the Bible.
There could be countless different versions of God, if there is one. Maybe but I would go nah.
Your version of God almost certainly does not exist since he appears to be self contradictory. Almost certainly, not absolute certainty? That is being agnostic.
That means if there is a God you are probably in just as much trouble as we are and probably more. There is a grain of truth there - even those who believe in a false religion does not fair better with people with no religion.
Right or wrong
be Happy we won't be alone
Shadow Wolf
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Is that a thing?
Happy birthday, though.
How do you propose we go about independently verifying the god of the Bible exists (in other words, without resorting to using the Bible)?
When someone says "almost certainly," the lack of using language of certainty is deliberate as few things in life are 100% definitely known, and when it comes to areas we actually have no knowledge of it's folly to use language of certainty because we have no certainty. We can't technically disprove the existence of your god, but the lack of evidence to support the events mentioned in the Bible makes it incredibly unlikely this god exists.
I relax anyways because I'm just simply too ignorant of this world and the universe to even begin to ponder if there is such a god or creator type of being (akin to attempting to run a marathon before one can even crawl). I don't know, I can't know, I won't know, so it's utterly irrelevant in my life. If I die and find that I have a soul that ends up somewhere, I'll just have to figure out things then because in this mortal coil I am simply unable to know or tell if a spiritual experience is legitimately spiritual or just my brain doing funny things.
Audie
Veteran Member
Except the part about god.
Makes sense to me. Since this plan clearly needs quality oversight, I will reluctantly stay behind to make sure the process runs smoothly. No, no...don't weep for me...I'm willing to sacrifice my non-life for the greater good.
MJFlores
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Born and raised as a Catholic before by Catholic parents
Born in a country which is predominantly Catholic
We do things blindly, follow blindly
And at that point, I stopped believing
Before 2010, my mind was unsure that God existed
Money was basically my god then - It can buy stuff and make your life comfortable
I was nonchalant about religion, not my priority
Money was a sure thing.
However at the back of my head - money is not the only thing
I have this thought that there must more to life than this.
Why am I human? Why am I not this or that?
What is my purpose? Do I even have a soul?
I have to find the truth
Where is the truth? Was it in the Catholic Church which is Roman in origin?
Was it in Islam? Takbir? Allāhu akbar!
Was it in Hinduism, Buddhism, or Shintoism?
I thirst for the truth - maybe that was my soul screaming out loud.
There is only one truth or everything is a lie.
A lie could not stand an acid test - that is how to determine if gold is gold, not gold plated
The truth should be written and it must come from "the supreme being" I call God
So what is the book?
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Five reading materials to search for the truth.
I cannot read them all
I have to choose one through process of rational elimination
The one which speaks the truth
The one which is alive and active
The one which will is the true basis of faith
Aside from the recorded truths - what are the practices?
Are they rituals? Are they from pagan traditions?
If they are then - that would only be a waste of precious time.
Am I going to kneel down on a work made by human hands?
Probably a man who worked on this loves gin and "pulutan"
pulutan | Definition of pulutan in English by Oxford Dictionaries
If that is the case - I am sorry, I am not going to kneel to the god that you made.
Next!
Is the religion about love?
Is the religion about forgiveness and mercy?
It is not? Then in that case - that is a violent religion and God is love.
Next!
Are the teachers sent by God?
Are they able to defend the truths contained in their scriptures?
Will all my questions answered from their book?
Are their rituals based on their sacred book?
If not then - I won't make a fool of myself over some nonsensical ritual.
Should I believe their $#!+?
Maybe you need time to think to believe
What does your heart tell you?
How about your mind?
If not, then my apologies, it was worth the try.
If the answer is yes, then God has found you.
Matthew 11:29 New International Version (NIV)
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me,
for I am gentle and humble in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.
Audie
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Subduction Zone
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I don't have anything to worry about. I am pointing out how you have likely more to worry about than I do.
Happy birthday.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I have to stop you here. "God" is not a term that is owned by Christians.
There could be countless different versions of God, if there is one.
This demonstrates and inability to reason logically. If you want to claim otherwise the burden of proof is upon you, and we know you can't support your claims.
Agnosticism is the correct approach since we do not know. Most atheists are also agnostics.
The word that you wanted to use was "fare" And there was more than a grain of truth. A god that is self contradictory cannot exist. For example a god cannot be both honest and dishonest. You seem to believe both about your god. That is what tells us that your god cannot exist. The problem is that you do not see how you believe that your god is dishonest. People that do not have an emotional tie to the concept can see it. That is why you are probably worse off in almost all scenarios. Unless your God is totally schizophrenic he does not exist. But why would trust or worship such a god in the first place?
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When you read the bible ..did you notice ..as i did...that the gospels are anonymous??.....and why do they not appear in history until 160ad??
MJFlores
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I have to stop you here. "God" is not a term that is owned by Christians. There could be countless different versions of God, if there is one.
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That is true.1 Corinthians 8:5-6
This demonstrates and inability to reason logically. If you want to claim otherwise the burden of proof is upon you, and we know you can't support your claims.
I do not need to prove what is considered foolishness to you. It would be like talking to a Jew about Jesus Christ of Nazareth who is Lord and Savior.1 Corinthians 1:23
Agnosticism is the correct approach since we do not know. Most atheists are also agnostics.
The word that you wanted to use was "fare" And there was more than a grain of truth. A god that is self contradictory cannot exist. For example a god cannot be both honest and dishonest. You seem to believe both about your god. That is what tells us that your god cannot exist. The problem is that you do not see how you believe that your god is dishonest. People that do not have an emotional tie to the concept can see it. That is why you are probably worse off in almost all scenarios. Unless your God is totally schizophrenic he does not exist. But why would trust or worship such a god in the first place?
A long time ago, I saw my grandparents before they died and it is foolish to deny that they also had grandparents before them, and those grandparents have grandparents too, and those too have grandparents and so on and so forth. When and where this "grandparent" source reach one source? When you couldn't accept that it should stop then you are mistaken - because there is such a point. Malachi 2:10
So where is the couple who became the source of "this mess"?
If that is the source of mankind - where did they come from?
So that's in the soup!
Even soup has to be made and the search goes on and on.
I worship God because I need God Psalm 40:17
And the right to worship God is given Matthew 7:21
And it must be the right kind of worship Matthew 15:9
Because that is what God seeks John 4:23
And finally because I seek eternal life come Judgement Day John 3:36
Seek and you shall find
Complain and ....
Will get you no where.
Subduction Zone
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Let's deal with one point at a time. If you make a claim you put a burden of proof upon yourself. Second if you were a Christian and a student of the Bible you would also realize that the Bible puts a burden of proof upon you. Read 1 Peter 3 15.
Audie
Veteran Member
You are encouraging it
MJFlores
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1 Peter 3:15 New International Version (NIV)
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
And I am encouraged....
The verse does not say, the burden of proof is on me
It says here - to revere Christ in my heart and be prepared to answer
those who ask
for the reason
why I have hope
what is that hope?
Titus 1:2 New International Version (NIV)
in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
The proof was already made by God and that is through the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 17:31 New International Version (NIV)
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
Therefore, the proof is already given by the Lord God.
Maybe we should wait until everyone drops dead and be awaken for on the day
when all will be judged by the Lord God through the Lord Jesus Christ.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So you do not even understand your own book of myths.1 Peter 3:15 New International Version (NIV)
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
And I am encouraged....
The verse does not say, the burden of proof is on me
It says here - to revere Christ in my heart and be prepared to answer
those who ask
for the reason
why I have hope
what is that hope?
Titus 1:2 New International Version (NIV)
in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
The proof was already made by God and that is through the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 17:31 New International Version (NIV)
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
Therefore, the proof is already given by the Lord God.
Maybe we should wait until everyone drops dead and be awaken for on the day
when all will be judged by the Lord God through the Lord Jesus Christ.
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How are you going to defend that which you do not understand?
MJFlores
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Subduction Zone
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No, that was a valid question.
Do you think that you can reason rationally? So far you have not done so.
When you have lost the argument silly videos are not an example of reasoning rationally. Not are quotes from the Bible, which you appear to understand poorly, examples of reasoning rationally.
I have explained how you are calling your God a liar. If you did not understand you should have asked questions.
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