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Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
If you think evolution is about "crossbreeding"......if you say the evidence shows no life form has evolved from another other than - cross breeding where two make a new breed...
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If you think evolution is about "crossbreeding"......if you say the evidence shows no life form has evolved from another other than - cross breeding where two make a new breed...
Are you seriously inferring that no other religion claims their god/s to be the only true one/s
Don't other religions deny each others? I guess this refers to more than Christians and so really is futile by debate and exercise.
Whoops your slip is showing. Truth is if you say the evidence shows no life form has evolved from another other than - cross breeding where two make a new breed. Then I think you need
to go back and readdress the issues in the bible. What I said about studying the subject... Man was indeed created by soil, (soil not cursed at that point) but man never received his life from the soil.
King James Version
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
You see no scientist has been able to form anything from soil and give it life because God did not create human life from soil. He breathed life into human beings from himself.
So we would not be upset by such claims and to be honest in the light of the actual evidence your issue and interpretation lacks the actual facts that no scientist can disprove or deny because
they cannot understand it.
Christ never preached a triune God. He preached one God and that truth and life came through the Holy Spirit. Therefore you see some Christians would have problems with these things
God in three persons not God is three persons. But Gods presence in anyone makes them Holy and he dwells in man by the Holy Spirit. Something which may be too difficult for you to understand without studying the bible.
If you had knowledge of the times these things occurred in you would know it would have been an 'eye for an eye' situation. Moses survived the slaughter of the males Israelite babies
by the Egyptians because they were afraid that they would grow up and rise up against them and outnumber them. They had no choice. The Pharaoh was told to let the people go and he disobeyed. He knew what would happen but to arrogant to heed and would prefer to see his people die.
Are you so brain washed yo believe the rubbish you write. Where is the off-spring of these gods who slept with women? Don't exist they are made up stories. However when it comes to the real God what problem would he have in doing as he did. A second Adam born without sin? The fact is you do not understand.
You saying loop-holes exist? Again common sense would tell you that God has to make a mature earth. Could hardly live on clouds could we. Did he create Adam as a full grown mature man or a baby? The age of the earth is not an issue because God created it mature as he did the animals and human beings. Would Adams DNA have shown him to many years old by scientific standards and test or a one day old grown male man. The arguments above are useless when it comes to God and creation because God made everything mature including the first man and woman.
Where do you get this rubbish from? No wonder you think you have reason to complain when in truth if no God exists for you then only YOU and mankind are responsible for what you as atheist believe and that figures why you cannot establish you have no basis for attacking people of faith. I believe judgment is Gods and his alone. YOU make your own choices and attack anything
you have no real understanding about. I believe your own attitude toward faith shows why so much turmoil exists, You say you do not believe in god but attack those who do! For what purpose if it is manmade?
Misguided and untruthful knowledge. Real believers learn that God cannot lie. Proof for believers is not held in signs and wonders. Not held in the belief of others.
It is held in God being able to fulfill his promises within his word and to show an individual he is present with them in doing so.
You clearly know nothing about true believers just what you have read or gleamed from the uninformed in the world of atheists.
What such a low rate? I guess Christians don't register all their answered prayers simply because they feel no need to. They can thank God and leave everything in his capable hands.
I guess made up figures have to be relied upon because there is no way to actually count the answered prayers throughout the world
It is not surprising that people writing in that time period knew the events and places of that time. It would actually have been more surprising if they had not known them.
As an atheist, I have no problem acknowledging that some of the places and events in the Bible are historically accurate.
What lacks evidence is the miraculous claims like walking on water, living inside a giant fish, turning water into wine, being dead for three days and resuscitating, virgins giving birth.
WE ALL KNOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, AND HAVE SAID AS MUCH.THERE IS NO BURDEN OF PROOF WHEN IT COMES TO A PERSONS PERSONAL FAITH. Caps so you see the statement.
Personal relationships with God require no proof to outsiders. You need to get your own proof like the believer already has.
You are not listening.
EDIT: Look at the rather pathetic answer you gave to the prior post. That is the sort of nonsense you need to be able to support. You can say that you believe whatever you want to, but if you try to apply it to the world in any way at all that is when you need evidence.
If you think evolution is about "crossbreeding"...
Clearly not... as my replies in this post shows. It appears you like the atheists you got these questions from did not use the knowledge of the bible or the brain God gave you to see the truth.
Mans life did not come from the soil it was breathed into man by God himself. The age of the earth, like man and creation was created years old on the one day it took God to create these things.
Christians do not require answers for atheists as you can see it is atheists who need to get their facts right before attempting to ridicule a religion and the Word of God they clearly have no real knowledge about. :-{
Clearly not... as my replies in this post shows. It appears you like the atheists you got these questions from did not use the knowledge of the bible or the brain God gave you to see the truth.
Mans life did not come from the soil it was breathed into man by God himself. The age of the earth, like man and creation was created years old on the one day it took God to create these things.
Christians do not require answers for atheists as you can see it is atheists who need to get their facts right before attempting to ridicule a religion and the Word of God they clearly have no real knowledge about. :-{
WE ALL KNOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, AND HAVE SAID AS MUCH.
The problem is that you are making truth claims in a debate forum. Claims that go beyond your "personal relationships with God." That means the burden of proof for those assertions is on you. It doesn't matter if you like it or not - that's simply how logic works.
Science doesn't "prove" anything. It does, however, supply evidence either in support of or against things. And so far, ALL evidence points to evolution being a correct theory.No! I said that there has been nothing evolved into something other than what it was created.
That cross breeding IS NOT EVOLUTION and Evolution is but a theory a theory because it has never been proved.
Seriously, you are the last one that should be accusing others of not reasoning logically. You have not been able to follow the arguments presented to you. I and others have tried to correct you. That is all. No contempt has been aimed at you.Subduction Zone,
For so long you have been fixed in a zone where you think the same questions and answers always apply.
You have no logical arguments and you reduce yourself to replies which are simply beneath you and show contempt rather than honest reasoning and answers.
Since when has the faith in YHWH been about the world? When has it been about a worldly kingdom?
If we are to talk about anything to do with God or the bible then you have to be versed in Scripture and understand what the Prophets and Christ spoke about based on the teachings.
Take Christ for example he made a simple statement,
31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Can you answer why Christ said his Kingdom was not of this world? If Christ was not answerable to the world why do you assume anyone who belongs to his Kingdom would be?
Like those before and those after you, you have to find your own answers. So why would a member of Christs Kingdom apply anything to the world when the Kingdom is not of this world?
Why did you not know that if you claim to speak from knowledge and understanding of Christ and his Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is by Gods way not mans.
When you make statements like this it looks like you are trying to earn the contempt that you speak of.No! I said that there has been nothing evolved into something other than what it was created.
That cross breeding IS NOT EVOLUTION and Evolution is but a theory a theory because it has never been proved.
I'm not an aircraft enthusiast.
What has happened, happened
It is part of history and is part of the prophecies mentioned in the Bible
Everything is in order
in sequence and
justified mathematically
Subduction Zone,
For so long you have been fixed in a zone where you think the same questions and answers always apply.
You have no logical arguments and you reduce yourself to replies which are simply beneath you and show contempt rather than honest reasoning and answers.
Since when has the faith in YHWH been about the world? When has it been about a worldly kingdom?
If we are to talk about anything to do with God or the bible then you have to be versed in Scripture and understand what the Prophets and Christ spoke about based on the teachings.
Take Christ for example he made a simple statement,
31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Can you answer why Christ said his Kingdom was not of this world? If Christ was not answerable to the world why do you assume anyone who belongs to his Kingdom would be?
Like those before and those after you, you have to find your own answers. So why would a member of Christs Kingdom apply anything to the world when the Kingdom is not of this world?
Why did you not know that if you claim to speak from knowledge and understanding of Christ and his Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is by Gods way not mans.
And war/political propaganda. The bible is the Fox News of its time and place.You forgot myths and tall tales.
The states with the highest rates of that are governed by conservatives."Despite the idealistic goals of (secular) liberalism, attempts to build a Utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism, anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence."
But we can wonder why God can't seem to be more persuasive.You can't diss the moral laws of God / Christianity and say they are immoral by citing examples of people who violate them.
You might not be able to completely, but there are certainly claims that can be falsified. If God is said to flood an entire planet and there is no evidence of such, it didn't happen. If God said millions of Hebrews walked for 40 years on a two week trip through the desert and yet we can't even find a single campsite, it didn't happen. You don't even really have to engage with reality, though. Even looking at God as a literary character, things just don't add up. If He had a tenth of the claimed abilities, most of the bible's plot wouldn't have even happened.How do you prove or disprove his existence?
But if God is telling you the bible is factually accurate, that God is lying.The person of faith has received their own reassurance from God in his promises that he exists
Then why does God always seem so threatened by non-belief? He isn't Tinkerbell, right? Unbelief isn't going to kill Him, right?To be honest, atheism isn't a problem as it has no weapons with which to attack faith in God.
Yeah, but if you (as well as I) believe God is real, then a real entity should be able to provide atheists with the evidence needed, but He doesn't. Why is that? Why should someone get mad that someone can't hear a radio station on FM when the radio only gets AM? Isn't it the fault of the one that gave them the wrong radio?Here is the crux, I have proof for myself that is why I have faith. My faith does not require me to prove to someone whose disbelief is just a choice. I have much reason to believe. But your disbelief gives me no reason to doubt what I have. I know why I believe whereas you have nothing but your choice of disbelief. Believers have no burden of proof to anyone.
You really do not understand burden of proof. I've run out of ways to explain it to you. It's getting pretty frustrating at this point. I don't think the debate forums are for you.Nah! you give yourself less credit every time you reply.
Never been beyond personal relationship with God. If I want to discuss the bible I am at a right to do so. I am also allowed to debate the statements in the bible because atheists cannot disprove them as a truth. The fact is I am under no burden to provide proof otherwise you too would have to provide proof the bible statements are not truth. Assertions are all you have as a personal matter of faith in what you believe. My personal faith is a matter for myself only. The Logic therefore is that you and no one else can ask for proof in a subject you cannot provide any for., Be it personal belief or otherwise. So unless you can debate the bible or any faith with a stance of evidence independent of your personal belief you are chasing your tail.
Fiction written by non-eyewitnesses. Written in a non-historical , mythical style (similar to other religions of the period) with no corroborating evidence, that's your "logical evidence"?
You can't be serious.
"Despite the idealistic goals of (secular) liberalism, attempts to build a Utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism, anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence."
Beware of Liberal Fundamentalism
Liberal Fundamentalism
Not to mention how Sodom and Gomorrah and its same-sex debauchery made out.
Hi Dan,
No justification required because atheists can say they are right too.
See what I did there? We have to treat everyone properly regardless of what our beliefs.
There is nothing to defend the faith of people in God against regarding atheism since atheism requires nothing but your choice to disbelieve.
I am not sure why think there is anything in atheism which has anything which would prevail against the gates of heaven. To be honest, atheism isn't a problem as it has no weapons with which to attack faith in God.
Can you move things with your mind or fly? How would you make the comparison regarding faith. You speak about things you personally might or might not do. But the example has no bearing on a persons faith in the being called God since they do not claim anything of their own abilities. Faith is personal it cannot be applied to other persons positions and neither do I apply it to the positions of others. An Athiest is not in any position to ask a believer to prove anything for they have nothing at all to substantiate their position of unbelief. There is nothing to address in a position chosen without proof.
Here is the crux, I have proof for myself that is why I have faith. My faith does not require me to prove to someone whose disbelief is just a choice. I have much reason to believe. But your disbelief gives me no reason to doubt what I have. I know why I believe whereas you have nothing but your choice of disbelief. Believers have no burden of proof to anyone.
Sodom and Gomorrah are fairy tales told to scare theists and children into being scared of their sky dad. You'll forgive me if I assign them to the "tooth fairy file".
Here's your "tooth fairy" claim coming back to bite you:
The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah-Part 1 | John Ankerberg Show
The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah-Part 2 | John Ankerberg Show
Excerpt / Conclusion: "When the archaeological, geographical and epigraphic evidence is reviewed in detail, it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found. What is more, this evidence demonstrates that the Bible provides an accurate eyewitness account of events that occurred southeast of the Dead Sea over 4,000 years ago."