Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible

[Subduction Zone]

Nuts. Voting for that corrupt, incompetent, and lying gas bag Hillary Clinton would have been the real disaster. Voting for that woman makes liberals look demented.

And you seriously think that Trump is any better? Yes, I agree that Hillary is a terrible person. The problem is that Trump is worse.

 

[sooda]

Nuts. Voting for that corrupt, incompetent, and lying gas bag Hillary Clinton would have been the real disaster. Voting for that woman makes liberals look demented.

Hillary is too old to be president, but the only other choice was Trump and he's stupid.

 

[Dan Mellis]

That's not something I could concur with.



Christians get their morals from God / Jesus. I will also say that atheists can be good moral individuals but for two things: 1. There is no objective basis for their morality; 2. No one is moral in the eyes of God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3).

Of course you cant concur with it. Perhaps instead of atheists I should have used the term secular morality. That is essentially the belief that everything is ok until it hurts someone else.

So, being gay is fine because it hurts nobody.

Adultery is usually not fine because it hurts somebody

Murder isnt ever ok etc etc

True objective morality doesnt exist. Christian morality is subjective to their god's "commands". Secular morality is subject to the goal of generally being decent to people.

So the goal is subjective. Individual choices can be objective. For example, in a chess game the goal is to not lose. That's a subjective goal. However, to get there, you can objectively assess each move on its own merit- so moral choices can be objective but usually sit within a subjective objective.

So no, atheists dont have objective morality. Neither do theists. The difference is that atheists can assess each situation on its own merit, while theists have to defer to the awful moral code of their god.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Nuts. Voting for that corrupt, incompetent, and lying gas bag Hillary Clinton would have been the real disaster. Voting for that woman makes liberals look demented.

I agree; but given the choice between a fairly intelligent criminal and a one who can't string a sentence together I'd have to vote for someone I could trust to know what was actually happening around them.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Hillary is too old to be president, but the only other choice was Trump and he's stupid.

Have to disagree here. Trump is too old too... isnt he like 70? He is stupid though.

 

[sooda]

Have to disagree here. Trump is too old too... isnt he like 70? He is stupid though.

Trump is also too old. He's 73 this year.

 

[RESOLUTION]

All of what you said is true. Believers don't have burden of proof just because they believe. Its those who try to negate others rights and offer their god as a reason to do so, or those who make claims of truth and knowledge that have a burden to meet, and I'm afraid it just has never been met. Ever. By anyone that I know of, and I've done my fair share of hours researching.

Hi Dan,

My life has a lesson which everyone who searches comes to if they study and read what has been written.

The bible and other books claiming a faith in any G/god should have a way which is clearly mapped out.
The OT shows the way to find God is to obey his commands.
The NT shows that way is through obeying the teachings of Christ which sum up the meaning of the law and commandments in the OT.

It isn't something you can read and the words and truth will jump off the page to you or put your mind into gear of understanding.
I say it is 'personal' because for myself it did not happen till my search was done with a thirst for truth and willingness to commit to the truth when I found it.
So faith is personal no one can give it to you it is something we find as individuals. I found God cannot lie when reading the bible. I found that we have to be honest to ourselves.
If the bible does not do as it says then where is there any evidence to give you faith.
It is about truth in all it's fullness. No about proving it to ourselves even. But the word of God should take root and prove it for us.

So I say it is personal and how we think and use our minds is very important, as well as our own honesty and especially to ourselves.
We have to find it for ourselves.

 

[RESOLUTION]

First not all historical figures claim to be supernatural gods.
Second just because the bible spread around (Rome made it law and enforced the spread) doesn't make it any more true? Islam will overtake Christianity in the US by 2050, does that mean it's more true?

It can never happen there will always be more Jews than countable including adding Christians. I guess Islam is allowed to proceed in creating evil and fear could rule by fear but it can never rule because people believe in it's false god.

All we have are 4 gospels, all copied from Mark (it's says in Wiki there are "pages and pages of verbatim Greek among the gospels), written in a highly mythical style like religious myth from that time period and not as history and they were written by non-eyewitnesses as it says so in the title of each gospel.
And the pagan religions had the same type of mythology before Christianity so we know it's just a copy-cat religion.

Proving time and time again you believe what you are told to believe and read.
Read the bible because the ONLY God who has spoken and things come to pass it YHWH. It states he tells the end from the beginning. The Word of God has always come to man by
the Power of Gods Holy Spirit. It is the central theme of truth in the whole of the bible. No other religion but Jewish/Christian can claim this. Islam it was an Angel and the Gold bars with Joseph Smith. But the word from God always came to his Prophets and Christ by the power of Gods Spirit.
Gods people have always been lead by God and the Holy Spirit. The truth has always come to man through the words given this way. I see nothing to fear from anything outside Gods teachings.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 and John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Your arguments do not hold water or weight when it comes to anything written in the bible and how Gods people live.

Everything I say I can source with PhD scholarship, everything.
The historicity field does not consider the gospels historically reliable.
Starting with a very conservative source (Wiki)
"Historical reliability of the Gospels"
The historical reliability of the gospels refers to the reliability and historic character of the four New Testament gospels as historical documents. Little in the four canonical gospels is considered to be historically reliable.

ALL the above will not give you the source of truth that comes to man according to the bible.

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

No one can receive the things of God but by his Holy Spirit. You cannot buy it and it is the only way and mark which says you belong to God.
A believer, be it Jew or Christian cannot be a child of God by the things of man only the things of God.

Historical reliability of the Gospels - Wikipedia


Using argument to popular appeal is probably the worst way to argue for the validity of something.
Plus with Hindu, Judaism and Islam that is a bigger group of people than all Christians so they must be more right. It's a faulty line of thinking.

TRUTH:- is the only way forward and the only thing required personally for the believer.
As you see the number of people is not what makes them a child of God. As your thinking is clearly your own and faulty only to yourself. We see the bible reveals a truth
and wisdom above that of the world.King James Bible
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
So believer do not use any such argument. It is enough that the truth has been revealed as it has to you now. It shows the ways of God are not the Worlds ways.

What words, most of his words were voted to be not actually said by Jesus at the Jesus seminar.
Jesus Seminar - Wikipedia


and Richard carrier points out how Luke uses much of the Kings narrative, the sermon on the mount is known in scholarship to be taken from the Septuigant.

But the quality of the myth isn't related to if it's real or not.
There is profound myths about truth, life, and all sorts of philosophy in many different mythical stories and modern fiction as well.

Not relevant when it comes to the truth the bible reveals what God says about himself and his way.

No the gospels were written to appear to fulfill prophecy.
There are still hundreds of promises god made in the OT that never came to pass so it's still cherry picking.

The gospel writers did read the OT before they wrote the NT right? So of course they wrote the stories as prophecy being fulfilled?

The religion thrived because Constantine needed a movement to unify Rome after the civil war. Churches had been set up and it was only 5% of Rome but they ran with it.
Once it became law all other similar religions were destroyed. Militant evangilism ensured it's spread.

God is not a country or a place or even a creation of man. The fact is his people know why they believe and they know what Spirit and Truth is.
The world does not and it can find no way to overcome his word because it is pack and parcel of his people.

 

[RESOLUTION]

His point was that the supposed accounts weren't eyewitness ones, and there are no contemporary accounts of anything. Only ones written centuries later.

Every other historical figure I know about and accept as a figure has contemporaneous evidence supporting their existence and multiple reports from contemporary 3rd parties attesting to it. Even ones from the time jesus supposedly existed. Why is it that the only thing we have is something written hundreds of years after, the veracity of which hotly disputed by so many other groups and their 'holy' texts and proclaimed truths?

The eyewitness accounts were preached abroad and all and each Country before the bible came into being had the same accounts.
There is also the fact that Jesus did far more than the gospel accounts. King James Bible
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The NT gospels were written to give a brief account of what was witnessed. But believers then and today know that truth comes through the Spirit to all believers and it is a personal faith.
So whilst the world is lost in it's own scholarly wisdom, Gods wisdom does not rely on that source. Gods way is not mans way.

 

[sooda]

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The eyewitness accounts were preached abroad and all and each Country before the bible came into being had the same accounts.
There is also the fact that Jesus did far more than the gospel accounts. King James Bible
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The NT gospels were written to give a brief account of what was witnessed. But believers then and today know that truth comes through the Spirit to all believers and it is a personal faith.
So whilst the world is lost in it's own scholarly wisdom, Gods wisdom does not rely on that source. Gods way is not mans way.

God wouldn't have made so many errors and contradictions. You'd think they could at least get the geography right and all that baloney about Herod ordering a census.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Why should it matter that I believe Gods word is truth? The fact is that life in man came from God himself. The other is that the soil he formed Adam from was cursed when he fell.
Some people do not appear to study that which they need to know if to make an informed answer or ask a question in debate.

Why do you suppose Jesus spoke in parables?[/QUOTE]

Because it was foretold and because people who didn't really want the truth like yourself, could not gleam it.

 

[RESOLUTION]

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God wouldn't have made so many errors and contradictions. You'd think they could at least get the geography right and all that baloney about Herod ordering a census.

No errors for Gods people. Just your way of seeing things because you lack understanding and the wisdom God gives.

 

[sooda]

No errors for Gods people. Just your way of seeing things because you lack understanding and the wisdom God gives.

God's people can and do live in the real world.. Getting 2 million people and their herds across the Red Sea or Reed Sea or Gulf of Aqaba is hilarious.

 

[Spartan]

I agree; but given the choice between a fairly intelligent criminal and a one who can't string a sentence together I'd have to vote for someone I could trust to know what was actually happening around them.

The economy is super, unemployment is the lowest in 50 years, more minorities are employed than ever before, and we're not being taken advantage of by other countries. The Dems didn't bring that to you.

 

[Spartan]

Hillary is too old to be president, but the only other choice was Trump and he's stupid.

See Post # 914

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't believe you or anyone has refuted it. Nor could you.

That's fine, you're free to believe what you like, even if it contradicts reality. Perhaps you don't remember that several people refuted many parts of it, alongside myself, the last time you posted it. And you and I had a back-and-forth about it.

 

[sooda]

Why do you suppose Jesus spoke in parables?

Because it was foretold and because people who didn't really want the truth like yourself, could not gleam it.[/QUOTE]

Are all the contradictions the truth?

 

[Dan Mellis]

Hi Dan,

My life has a lesson which everyone who searches comes to if they study and read what has been written.

The bible and other books claiming a faith in any G/god should have a way which is clearly mapped out.
The OT shows the way to find God is to obey his commands.
The NT shows that way is through obeying the teachings of Christ which sum up the meaning of the law and commandments in the OT.

It isn't something you can read and the words and truth will jump off the page to you or put your mind into gear of understanding.
I say it is 'personal' because for myself it did not happen till my search was done with a thirst for truth and willingness to commit to the truth when I found it.
So faith is personal no one can give it to you it is something we find as individuals. I found God cannot lie when reading the bible. I found that we have to be honest to ourselves.
If the bible does not do as it says then where is there any evidence to give you faith.
It is about truth in all it's fullness. No about proving it to ourselves even. But the word of God should take root and prove it for us.

So I say it is personal and how we think and use our minds is very important, as well as our own honesty and especially to ourselves.
We have to find it for ourselves.

Not exactly true, seing as the highest rates of apostasy is amongst those who have actually studied the bible and compared it to reality

 

[Dan Mellis]

The eyewitness accounts were preached abroad and all and each Country before the bible came into being had the same accounts.
There is also the fact that Jesus did far more than the gospel accounts. King James Bible
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The NT gospels were written to give a brief account of what was witnessed. But believers then and today know that truth comes through the Spirit to all believers and it is a personal faith.
So whilst the world is lost in it's own scholarly wisdom, Gods wisdom does not rely on that source. Gods way is not mans way.

How do you know these eyewitness accounts were preached and that they were the same, when there are differences in these even in the modern accepted versions of the bible? Is your argument honestly "oh yeah he did loads more too" because thats just another claim which you probably cant substantiate.

Why bother arguing your case if you dont have a case to start with?

 

[Dan Mellis]

The economy is super, unemployment is the lowest in 50 years, more minorities are employed than ever before, and we're not being taken advantage of by other countries. The Dems didn't bring that to you.

They didn't, as I'm in the UK. We may have messed up with brexit, but trust me when I tell you that although you might not think you're being taken advantage of, your country is an "honest to god" laughing stock at the moment. Trump is... just.... I don't even have any words. Its like you've elected a character from family guy.