No Evidence for 1st Century Nazareth

[godnotgod]

So godnotgod, I am still waiting for your ancient sources to back up your position. As for John, please. If you bothered to read John, you would see that the reason he is called a Nazarene is because he is from Nazareth.

As noted, the literal Greek ho nazorei translates to 'Nazorean' and not to 'Nazareth'. 'Nazorean' refers to 'Nazareth'?

 

[fallingblood]

As noted, the literal Greek ho nazorei translates to 'Nazorean' and not to 'Nazareth'. 'Nazorean' refers to 'Nazareth'?

As noted, Nazareth is actually Atlantis and Harry Potter mentions it while partying with Yoda. This can all be found in Platos work titled When Bad People Get hit by Buses.

 

[fallingblood]

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After debating with you, it just has become apparent that logical arguments hold no water with you. Since you are just making garbage up, I thought I would join in but at least make it a little more interesting.

On a side note, I am still waiting for your ancient sources on the subject. And John doesn't count as the author of John tells us clearly that Jesus is from Nazareth and that is why he is called a Nazarene. John never makes a suggestion that Jesus is a Nazarene in the sense that Samson of the OT was and never describes Jesus as such.

So pleas, so us some ancient sources, hopefully coming from the first century and presaging Paul or the Gospels.

 

[godnotgod]

In the New Testament book of Acts, Paul is tried in Caesarea, and Tertullus is reported as saying:

"We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5, New Revised Standard Version).

It is clear that "Christian" was not the earliest term for the followers of Jesus, since Acts 11:26 reports its first use in Antioch - at a time and in a place at least 10 and possibly 20 or more years after the death of Jesus.

Many authors have argued that "Nazarene" was not just one term that was used, but the dominant term, and that it was also used to describe Jesus himself. The chief argument for this claim rests on an interpretation of the way Jesus is referred to by the writers of the gospels. The original Greek forms of all four gospels call him, in places, "Iesou Nazarene" (e.g. Matthew 26:71; Mark 1:24, 10:47, 14:67; Luke 4:34; John 17:5; Acts 2:22).

Translations of the Bible, from the fifth century Vulgate on, have generally rendered this into a form equivalent to "Jesus of Nazareth." However, it is not the most accurate translation. Linguistically, "Jesus the Nazarene" would be more accurate, and some critics have argued that it is also more plausible given that the city of Nazareth seems to have not existed at the time of Jesus; it is unmentioned in any contemporary history and it is not possible to prove its early existence other than by reference to the gospels.

The Vulgate does use a form equivalent to "Nazarene" in one verse (Matthew 2:23), where its reading is Nazaroeus (Nazoraios), but here the original Greek has the word Nazarene on its own, without Iesou.

However we translate these verses from the gospels, the evidence from Acts 24 does support the claim that "Nazarene" was an early term for the followers of Jesus. But it does not appear to have been the term most used by those followers: the earliest Christian writings we have, the letters of Paul (which predate the gospels by ten to forty years), use the phrase "followers of The Way."

What is a Nazarene

 

[fallingblood]

You misunderstanding of the Bible is deafening. In acts, Paul is described as being the leader of a sect of Nazoreans. If you looked at the other names of what the group Paul was forming, you will see that they were also called The Way or later on Christians. If you understood who was part of the movement with Paul, you would see that they were non-Jews for the most part.

Since all of the Gospels tell us that he was from Nazareth, and there really is no confusion about this in the Gospels as they are all clear about this, the logical reason for Jesus to be called a Nazoreans is because he was from Nazareth. It is like how an American is called so since they are from America. Really, not very difficult n

And if you had the slightest inkling of what a Nazorite was, you would see that Jesus in no way resembles one. And really, since you have no sources backing up what you are saying, we can rightfully call it garbage.

 

[godnotgod]

So godnotgod, I am still waiting for your ancient sources to back up your position. As for John, please. If you bothered to read John, you would see that the reason he is called a Nazarene is because he is from Nazareth.

Here is John 19 in its entirety from the NABRE published in 2011. Show me where 'Jesus is called a Nazarene because he is from Nazareth', as you claim:

John 19
1
* a Then Pilate took Jesus and had him scourged.
2
And the soldiers wove a crown out of thorns and placed it on his head, and clothed him in a purple cloak,
3
and they came to him and said, “Hail, King of the Jews!” And they struck him repeatedly.
4
Once more Pilate went out and said to them, “Look, I am bringing him out to you, so that you may know that I find no guilt in him.”b
5
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple cloak. And he said to them, “Behold, the man!”c
6
When the chief priests and the guards saw him they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him. I find no guilt in him.”d
7
* The Jews answered,e “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.”
8
Now when Pilate heard this statement, he became even more afraid,
9
and went back into the praetorium and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” Jesus did not answer him.f
10
So Pilate said to him, “Do you not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you and I have power to crucify you?”
11
Jesus answered [him], “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above. For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”g
12
Consequently, Pilate tried to release him; but the Jews cried out, “If you release him, you are not a Friend of Caesar.* Everyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar.”h

13
When Pilate heard these words he brought Jesus out and seated him* on the judge’s bench in the place called Stone Pavement, in Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14
It was preparation day for Passover, and it was about noon.* And he said to the Jews, “Behold, your king!”
15
They cried out, “Take him away, take him away! Crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your king?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.”
16
Then he handed him over to them to be crucified.*
The Crucifixion of Jesus. So they took Jesus,
17
i and carrying the cross himself* he went out to what is called the Place of the Skull, in Hebrew, Golgotha.
18
There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, with Jesus in the middle.
19
* Pilate also had an inscription written and put on the cross. It read, “Jesus the Nazorean, the King of the Jews.”
20
Now many of the Jews read this inscription, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.
21
So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that he said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’”j
22
Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”
23
* When the soldiers had crucified Jesus,k they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier.l They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top down.
24
So they said to one another, “Let’s not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it will be,” in order that the passage of scripture might be fulfilled [that says]:
“They divided my garments among them,
and for my vesture they cast lots.”

This is what the soldiers did.
25
* m Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala.
26
When Jesus saw his mother* and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.”n
27
Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.
28
o After this, aware that everything was now finished, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled,* Jesus said, “I thirst.”p
29
There was a vessel filled with common wine.* So they put a sponge soaked in wine on a sprig of hyssop and put it up to his mouth.
30
* When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “It is finished.”q And bowing his head, he handed over the spirit.
The Blood and Water.
31
Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, the Jews asked Pilate that their legs be broken and they be taken down.r
32
So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and then of the other one who was crucified with Jesus.
33
But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs,
34
* s but one soldier thrust his lance into his side, and immediately blood and water flowed out.
35
An eyewitness has testified, and his testimony is true; he knows* that he is speaking the truth, so that you also may [come to] believe.t
36
For this happened so that the scripture passage might be fulfilled:
“Not a bone of it will be broken.”u
37
And again another passage says:
“They will look upon him whom they have pierced.”v
The Burial of Jesus.*
38
w After this, Joseph of Arimathea, secretly a disciple of Jesus for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate if he could remove the body of Jesus. And Pilate permitted it. So he came and took his body.
39
Nicodemus, the one who had first come to him at night, also came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes weighing about one hundred pounds.x
40
They took the body of Jesus and bound it with burial cloths along with the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.
41
Now in the place where he had been crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had yet been buried.
42
So they laid Jesus there because of the Jewish preparation day; for the tomb was close by.

scripture

 

[fallingblood]

Here is a clue. Read my post again, and then read John in it's entirety.

 

[godnotgod]

Now here is Matthew 2 in its entirety. It is clear from reading the entire chapter that Jesus having been referred to as a 'Nazarene' refers not to the city of Nazareth, but to the prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. So he who is to be born in Bethlehem is who 'shall be called a Nazarene' in fullfilment of the prophecy.

Also note that who is returning to Nazareth is not Jesus, but Joseph.

Matthew 2
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Matthew 2

The Visit of the Magi

1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, [a]magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, 2 “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 They said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea; for this is what has been written [c]by the prophet:
6 ‘AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH,
ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH;
FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER
WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.’”

7 Then Herod secretly called the magi and determined from them [d]the exact time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the Child; and when you have found Him, report to me, so that I too may come and worship Him.” 9 After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy. 11 After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they [e]fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 And having been warned by God in a dream not to return to Herod, the magi left for their own country by another way.

The Flight to Egypt

13 Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord *appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him.”
14 So [f]Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt. 15 He [g]remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: “OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON.”

Herod Slaughters Babies

16 Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi. 17 Then what had been spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled:
18 “A VOICE WAS HEARD IN RAMAH,
WEEPING AND GREAT MOURNING,
RACHEL WEEPING FOR HER CHILDREN;
AND SHE REFUSED TO BE COMFORTED,
BECAUSE THEY WERE NO MORE.”

19 But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord *appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and said, 20 “Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child’s life are dead.” 21 So [h]Joseph got up, took the Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Then after being warned by God in a dream, he left for the regions of Galilee, 23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets: “He shall be called a Nazarene.”

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Good pasting.

Now make it sing and dance.

 

[godnotgod]

You misunderstanding of the Bible is deafening. In acts, Paul is described as being the leader of a sect of Nazoreans. If you looked at the other names of what the group Paul was forming, you will see that they were also called The Way or later on Christians. If you understood who was part of the movement with Paul, you would see that they were non-Jews for the most part.

And you fail to understand the classifications of things. A Nazarene does not have to be a Jew, as Jesus was. Nazarene is not a racial or nationalistic term. The sect in question is the same sect which followed Jesus, who was the key Nazarene, or Nazorean, a term applied to the Essenes of Mt. Carmel. It was the outer or 1st tier of the 3 tiered teaching of initiates which broke off from the mystical Essenes of Mt. Carmel to form the early Christians. They took with them only the outer teachings, not having an understanding of the deeper mysteries which Yeshua was all about. That is most likely the reason modern Xtianity became mostly evangelistic and prophetic rather than mystical in outward manifestation.

BTW, 'The Way' is a term associated with Eastern wisdom, which the Essenes of Mt. Carmel would have been privy to, as they had connections to the Therapeutae of Greece and Egypt and then to the Theravada Buddhists of India. The Way as Tao is also associated with Chinese Taoism. Buddhists talk about two paths: one is way-driven, the other karma-driven.

Since all of the Gospels tell us that he was from Nazareth, and there really is no confusion about this in the Gospels as they are all clear about this, the logical reason for Jesus to be called a Nazoreans is because he was from Nazareth. It is like how an American is called so since they are from America. Really, not very difficult n

That is a completely idiotic logic you espouse. You're not paying attention, and continue to insist on your own way. You obviously do not understand how simple logic works.

And if you had the slightest inkling of what a Nazorite was, you would see that Jesus in no way resembles one. And really, since you have no sources backing up what you are saying, we can rightfully call it garbage.

Sir, I never said that, and that makes all of your post pure garbage. Now go to your room!

 

[godnotgod]

Here is a clue. Read my post again, and then read John in it's entirety.

No! You don't direct me, understand? I read both your ridiculous post and John in its entirety. Now you go do the same, and then come back and answer my question: where in all of John 19 do you see what you claim? That it is clear that Jesus is called a Nazarene because he is from Nazareth?

You're just full of crap and you know it! Now put up or ****!...and stop calling me 'ignorant' when it is perfectly clear that you are fully immersed in garbage logic!

Use your head before you post. The ball is in your court, now use it wisely, or don't use it at all!

 

[fallingblood]

Now here is Matthew 2 in its entirety. It is clear from reading the entire chapter that Jesus having been referred to as a 'Nazarene' refers not to the city of Nazareth, but to the prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. So he who is to be born in Bethlehem is who 'shall be called a Nazarene' in fullfilment of the prophecy.

Also note that who is returning to Nazareth is not Jesus, but Joseph.

, 23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets: “He shall be called a Nazarene.”[/COLOR]

So Jesus is called a Nazarene as he is going to live in the city called Nazareth. What is done to make Jesus be called a Nazarene? His family moves him to Nazareth (actually, no one is returning to Nazareth, you really need to read more carefully), and thus he is called a Nazarene, as he is from Nazareth.

I mean, I don't see how it could be clearer. They move to Nazareth. Then what happens, Jesus can now be called a Nazarene. Why, because some one from Nazareth is a Nazarene in the same sense the someone from America is an American, or someone from New York is a New Yorkan.

Is it really that hard?

 

[fallingblood]

And you fail to understand the classifications of things. A Nazarene does not have to be a Jew, as Jesus was. Nazarene is not a racial or nationalistic term. The sect in question is the same sect which followed Jesus, who was the key Nazarene, or Nazorean, a term applied to the Essenes of Mt. Carmel. It was the outer or 1st tier of the 3 tiered teaching of initiates which broke off from the mystical Essenes of Mt. Carmel to form the early Christians. They took with them only the outer teachings, not having an understanding of the deeper mysteries which Yeshua was all about. That is most likely the reason modern Xtianity became mostly evangelistic and prophetic rather than mystical in outward manifestation.

Do you have any evidence that Nazorite (or Nazarene in your case) referred to anyone else but a Jew in the first century, before Jesus? As for Essenes, they were Jews. So yes, a Nazorite, (or Nazarene as you say) is a Jew.

Now, can you provide any early sources, pre first century in this case, that the term Nazorite (or Nazarene as you say), referred to anything other than a Jew? If you can't, you have no argument. And while you are at it, can you show any early sources that show that the Essenes, or some individuals who break off from them, form the early Christians? If you can't, then you have no argument. Because if we look at the Essenes, we see that they were Jews (never Christians), and were wiped out during the first Jewish revolt.

BTW, 'The Way' is a term associated with Eastern wisdom, which the Essenes of Mt. Carmel would have been privy to, as they had connections to the Therapeutae of Greece and Egypt and then to the Theravada Buddhists of India. The Way as Tao is also associated with Chinese Taoism. Buddhists talk about two paths: one is way-driven, the other karma-driven.

Can you show any early sources that show that there were Essenes of Mt. Carmel? I mean, if they existed, you should be able to find at least one document from the first century that states such. If you can't, then really, you have no argument. So start providing some evidence for your claims.

As for the term, The Way, it is not just from Eastern wisdom. That is like saying the term the Holy One is only from Hebrew tradition. Or the idea of an anointed one is only from the Hebrews.

That is a completely idiotic logic you espouse. You're not paying attention, and continue to insist on your own way. You obviously do not understand how simple logic works.

Hahaha.

Sir, I never said that, and that makes all of your post pure garbage. Now go to your room!

I know you never said you didn't have any sources backing you up. That is why everything you say is garbage. It isn't even interesting garbage.

 

[fallingblood]

No! You don't direct me, understand? I read both your ridiculous post and John in its entirety. Now you go do the same, and then come back and answer my question: where in all of John 19 do you see what you claim? That it is clear that Jesus is called a Nazarene because he is from Nazareth?

You're just full of crap and you know it! Now put up or ****!...and stop calling me 'ignorant' when it is perfectly clear that you are fully immersed in garbage logic!

Use your head before you post. The ball is in your court, now use it wisely, or don't use it at all!

Again, read John. I never said that John 19 says anything. That is why I directed you to reread my post. See, that should have cleared up the confusion.

John clearly states that Jesus is from Nazareth. That is why Jesus is called a Nazarene. If you read John, or my post, you wouldn't have had to have a hissy fit. And if you weren't completely oblivious to scholarship, you would see why I call your information garbage. Plus, you have never shown any logical reason to accept your mumbo jumbo.

Until you start showing evidence for your point, and supplying the burden of proof, really, there is no reason to think that you are posting anything but garbage. An really, calling names and having tantrums doesn't help your case.

 

[godnotgod]

So Jesus is called a Nazarene as he is going to live in the city called Nazareth. What is done to make Jesus be called a Nazarene? His family moves him to Nazareth (actually, no one is returning to Nazareth, you really need to read more carefully), and thus he is called a Nazarene, as he is from Nazareth.

The passage states that 'he shall be called a Nazarene' in fulfillment of the prophecy.

Which prophecy foretells his being called a Nazarene?

 

[fallingblood]

The passage states that 'he shall be called a Nazarene' in fulfillment of the prophecy.

Which prophecy foretells his being called a Nazarene?

Go back and read that passage carefully. Matthew is clear here. Jesus is called a Nazarene because he is from Nazareth. Really not that hard.

 

[godnotgod]

Again, read John. I never said that John 19 says anything.

Here is your own quote from post #703:

John doesn't count as the author of John tells us clearly that Jesus is from Nazareth and that is why he is called a Nazarene.

You never said that John says anything? What is it you just said in post 703?

 

[godnotgod]

Go back and read that passage carefully. Matthew is clear here. Jesus is called a Nazarene because he is from Nazareth. Really not that hard.

You did not answer the question: Matthew 2 states that 'he shall be called a Nazarene' in fulfillment of prophecy. Show me the prophecy which calls Jesus a Nazarene.

 

[godnotgod]

John clearly states that Jesus is from Nazareth. .

Once again, here is John 19 in its entirety. Now show me where in John 19 it is stated that Jesus is from Nazareth.



John 19
1
* a Then Pilate took Jesus and had him scourged.
2
And the soldiers wove a crown out of thorns and placed it on his head, and clothed him in a purple cloak,
3
and they came to him and said, “Hail, King of the Jews!” And they struck him repeatedly.
4
Once more Pilate went out and said to them, “Look, I am bringing him out to you, so that you may know that I find no guilt in him.”b
5
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple cloak. And he said to them, “Behold, the man!”c
6
When the chief priests and the guards saw him they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him. I find no guilt in him.”d
7
* The Jews answered,e “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.”
8
Now when Pilate heard this statement, he became even more afraid,
9
and went back into the praetorium and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” Jesus did not answer him.f
10
So Pilate said to him, “Do you not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you and I have power to crucify you?”
11
Jesus answered [him], “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above. For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”g
12
Consequently, Pilate tried to release him; but the Jews cried out, “If you release him, you are not a Friend of Caesar.* Everyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar.”h

13
When Pilate heard these words he brought Jesus out and seated him* on the judge’s bench in the place called Stone Pavement, in Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14
It was preparation day for Passover, and it was about noon.* And he said to the Jews, “Behold, your king!”
15
They cried out, “Take him away, take him away! Crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your king?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.”
16
Then he handed him over to them to be crucified.*
The Crucifixion of Jesus. So they took Jesus,
17
i and carrying the cross himself* he went out to what is called the Place of the Skull, in Hebrew, Golgotha.
18
There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, with Jesus in the middle.
19
* Pilate also had an inscription written and put on the cross. It read, “Jesus the Nazorean, the King of the Jews.”
20
Now many of the Jews read this inscription, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.
21
So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that he said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’”j
22
Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”
23
* When the soldiers had crucified Jesus,k they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier.l They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top down.
24
So they said to one another, “Let’s not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it will be,” in order that the passage of scripture might be fulfilled [that says]:
“They divided my garments among them,
and for my vesture they cast lots.”

This is what the soldiers did.
25
* m Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala.
26
When Jesus saw his mother* and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.”n
27
Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.
28
o After this, aware that everything was now finished, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled,* Jesus said, “I thirst.”p
29
There was a vessel filled with common wine.* So they put a sponge soaked in wine on a sprig of hyssop and put it up to his mouth.
30
* When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “It is finished.”q And bowing his head, he handed over the spirit.
The Blood and Water.
31
Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, the Jews asked Pilate that their legs be broken and they be taken down.r
32
So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and then of the other one who was crucified with Jesus.
33
But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs,
34
* s but one soldier thrust his lance into his side, and immediately blood and water flowed out.
35
An eyewitness has testified, and his testimony is true; he knows* that he is speaking the truth, so that you also may [come to] believe.t
36
For this happened so that the scripture passage might be fulfilled:
“Not a bone of it will be broken.”u
37
And again another passage says:
“They will look upon him whom they have pierced.”v
The Burial of Jesus.*
38
w After this, Joseph of Arimathea, secretly a disciple of Jesus for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate if he could remove the body of Jesus. And Pilate permitted it. So he came and took his body.
39
Nicodemus, the one who had first come to him at night, also came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes weighing about one hundred pounds.x
40
They took the body of Jesus and bound it with burial cloths along with the spices, according to the Jewish burial custom.
41
Now in the place where he had been crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had yet been buried.
42
So they laid Jesus there because of the Jewish preparation day; for the tomb was close by.

 

[fallingblood]

Here is your own quote from post #703:




You never said that John says anything? What is it you just said in post 703?

Are you truly unable to read? Because you seem to be having a hard time following. Read those quotes of mine again. Focus on the number 19 and the words surrounding it. That may help.