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No Evidence for 1st Century Nazareth

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angellous_evangellous

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godnotgod said:
Except that it suddenly appears only in the NT. No mention in the OT and other sources of the time. Josephus lived 1 mile (ONE MILE!) from what is present day Nazareth, and he makes no mention of any 'Nazareth', even though he conducted a military campaign all around that area for years, and documented other existing towns. He would have encountered many citizens coming to and from Nazareth. Instead, we have a vacuum, like so many other vacuums in Christianity. Taken altogether, Highly Suspicious, if not da-mn-ing.



So a 1st century town or village verified as having been Nazareth has been excavated?




Is that a 1st century non-Christian text? Which? Cities DO fall from the sky; they did when they suddenly appeared in the NT.




So what?
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Is it Josephus then who has the power to speak cities into existence?
 
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angellous_evangellous

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godnotgod said:
'NT Studies PhD'. Now THAT'S an oxymoron!

'We shall begin with the foundation for the NT, students, the Codex Sinaiticus, which was found in a dumpster.':biglaugh:
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You're embarrassing yourself.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
angellous_evangellous said:
You're embarrassing yourself.
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Well, that's the story Tischendorf had reported:

In 1853 Tischendorf revisited the Monastery of Saint Catherine to get the remaining 86 folios, but without success. Returning in 1859, this time under the patronage of Tsar Alexander II of Russia, he was shown the Codex Sinaiticus. He would later claim to have found it discarded in a rubbish bin. (This story may have been a fabrication, or the manuscripts in question may have been unrelated to Codex Sinaiticus: Rev. J. Silvester Davies in 1863 quoted "a monk of Sinai who... stated that according to the librarian of the monastery the whole of Codex Sinaiticus had been in the library for many years and was marked in the ancient catalogues... Is it likely... that a manuscript known in the library catalogue would have been jettisoned in the rubbish basket." Indeed, it has been noted that the leaves were in "suspiciously good condition" for something found in the trash.

Wikipedia
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
DawudTalut said:
Peace be on all. One might find more dimensions about information about Nazareth.
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Your source states:


Although mentioned in the New Testament gospels, there are no extant non-biblical references to Nazareth until around 200 AD, when Sextus Julius Africanus, cited by Eusebius (Church History 1.7.14), speaks of “Nazara” as a village in "Judea" and locates it near an as-yet unidentified “Cochaba.

There are no references to any 'Nazareth' in the OT or the Talmud as well, nor in any 1st century historical records.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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godnotgod said:
Well, that's the story Tischendorf had reported:

In 1853 Tischendorf revisited the Monastery of Saint Catherine to get the remaining 86 folios, but without success. Returning in 1859, this time under the patronage of Tsar Alexander II of Russia, he was shown the Codex Sinaiticus. He would later claim to have found it discarded in a rubbish bin. (This story may have been a fabrication, or the manuscripts in question may have been unrelated to Codex Sinaiticus: Rev. J. Silvester Davies in 1863 quoted "a monk of Sinai who... stated that according to the librarian of the monastery the whole of Codex Sinaiticus had been in the library for many years and was marked in the ancient catalogues... Is it likely... that a manuscript known in the library catalogue would have been jettisoned in the rubbish basket." Indeed, it has been noted that the leaves were in "suspiciously good condition" for something found in the trash.

Wikipedia
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I wasn't referring to your spam.

I was talking about this -
godnotgod said:
'NT Studies PhD'. Now THAT'S an oxymoron!
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angellous_evangellous

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godnotgod said:
Well, that's the story Tischendorf had reported:

In 1853 Tischendorf revisited the Monastery of Saint Catherine to get the remaining 86 folios, but without success. Returning in 1859, this time under the patronage of Tsar Alexander II of Russia, he was shown the Codex Sinaiticus. He would later claim to have found it discarded in a rubbish bin. (This story may have been a fabrication, or the manuscripts in question may have been unrelated to Codex Sinaiticus: Rev. J. Silvester Davies in 1863 quoted "a monk of Sinai who... stated that according to the librarian of the monastery the whole of Codex Sinaiticus had been in the library for many years and was marked in the ancient catalogues... Is it likely... that a manuscript known in the library catalogue would have been jettisoned in the rubbish basket." Indeed, it has been noted that the leaves were in "suspiciously good condition" for something found in the trash.

Wikipedia
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Clearly you don't read stuff before you spam it.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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godnotgod said:
Your source states:


Although mentioned in the New Testament gospels, there are no extant non-biblical references to Nazareth until around 200 AD, when Sextus Julius Africanus, cited by Eusebius (Church History 1.7.14), speaks of “Nazara” as a village in "Judea" and locates it near an as-yet unidentified “Cochaba.

There are no references to any 'Nazareth' in the OT or the Talmud as well, nor in any 1st century historical records.
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What magical difference is there between the references in the Gospels and the appearance in Eusebius? You realize that Eusebius is a Christian source, don't you?

It's curious how you can start out ridiculous and not ever improve.
 
LegionOnomaMoi

LegionOnomaMoi

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angellous_evangellous said:
It's curious how you can start out ridiculous and not ever improve.
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You would say that. Your PhD is an oxymoron (of course, your PhD is actually in biblical interpretation, but you are still an NT scholar and if an NT studies PhD is an oxymoron than clearly a related doctorate is too, by the rules of 13th order quantum cosmological consciousness logic). Ergo, de facto ipso facto quod erat demonstrandum, at least prima facie.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Can somebody just 'list' what evidence we have for the community 'Nazareth' to have existed in NT times?

That would be a great help.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
angellous_evangellous said:
What magical difference is there between the references in the Gospels and the appearance in Eusebius? You realize that Eusebius is a Christian source, don't you?

It's curious how you can start out ridiculous and not ever improve.
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The non-Biblical reference is not to Eusebius's allusion to Nazara, but to that of Africanus. Eusebius is just citing Africanus.
 
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