No FACTS = NO god !

[angellous_evangellous]

Done.

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Thank God for Mr. Bloom!!!

 

[Riverwolf]

I have made a similar post today about the bible. Is it the word of god or not? Do you believe the bits you like or all of it despite its contradictions? Who determines what is real, what is allegorical and what is the dogs danglies?

Is it a bit 'the word of god' with filler from journalists of the time? Please tell me which bits to gloss over. I think a lot of christians have never read the bible properly. They depend on their instructors to drip feed them what the need for eternal salvation.

Does it matter whether or not the Bible is the entire word of God? After all, it's not one book; it's many. (The actual number depends on which Bible you're talking about: you've got the Catholic Bible which includes most of the apocrypha in the OT, or the ancient Marcion Bible, which omits the entire Jewish Bible, and only includes a mangled version of Luke's gospel and ten of Paul's letters.)

 

[Storm]

What do you mean by this? Do you mean that all the experiences of life lead you to conclude this or that? Or do you mean the kind of personal experience that two people have with one another? I know Bill as my best friend. Annie knows him as her lover. Both types of knowing are valid but they are also predicated on Bill actually interacting with each of us.

Well, specifically, I was referring to theophany.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Does it matter whether or not the Bible is the entire word of God? After all, it's not one book; it's many. (The actual number depends on which Bible you're talking about: you've got the Catholic Bible which includes most of the apocrypha in the OT, or the ancient Marcion Bible, which omits the entire Jewish Bible, and only includes a mangled version of Luke's gospel and ten of Paul's letters.)

Also, the Bible is indicative of one among many religions.:yes:

 

[Bloomdido]

Does it matter whether or not the Bible is the entire word of God? After all, it's not one book; it's many. (The actual number depends on which Bible you're talking about: you've got the Catholic Bible which includes most of the apocrypha in the OT, or the ancient Marcion Bible, which omits the entire Jewish Bible, and only includes a mangled version of Luke's gospel and ten of Paul's letters.)

It matters a bit when you have people dictating how we should live our lives. Ask homosexuals if it matters, or women. I sense a level of hypocracy when it comes to determining what is real in the bible and what isn't. Are you saying that it's fallible?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It matters a bit when you have people dictating how we should live our lives. Ask homosexuals if it matters, or women. I sense a level of hypocracy when it comes to determining what is real in the bible and what isn't. Are you saying that it's fallible?

No - ask women homosexuals!

Ask the millions who were killed by Stalin! Or perhaps this wacko - Mao Zedong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do some research on what misanthropy atheism can cause in man.

 

[Bloomdido]

Also, the Bible is indicative of one among many religions.:yes:

Christianity is the penultimate of the major religions. It's members will fall by the wayside as they have with every other religion apart from Islam (which will take longer to fail).

Science and religion are not compatable and as more people become educated and more governments move towards secularism, religion will be left floundering in the tidal pools of the backwaters of evolution.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

religion will be left floundering in the tidal pools of the backwaters of evolution.

Do you feel the same about art and music? As long as we are human, there will be religion.

When there is no religion, we will be the gods.

 

[Riverwolf]

It matters a bit when you have people dictating how we should live our lives. Ask homosexuals if it matters, or women. I sense a level of hypocracy when it comes to determining what is real in the bible and what isn't. Are you saying that it's fallible?

Of course I am. The only part of the Bible that I would even come close to CONSIDERING being anything remotely similar to whatever God's word to be, is the Sermon on the Mount. But I would never make the claim that it is the Word of God, because it isn't: it's a collection of the primary teachings of Jesus.

I agree that it's a problem when peoples' own superstitions are used to control others who don't share them. But it is a huge mistake to assume that ALL religious people are like that.

 

[Bloomdido]

Of course I am. The only part of the Bible that I would even come close to CONSIDERING being anything remotely similar to whatever God's word to be, is the Sermon on the Mount. But I would never make the claim that it is the Word of God, because it isn't: it's a collection of the primary teachings of Jesus.

I agree that it's a problem when peoples' own superstitions are used to control others who don't share them. But it is a huge mistake to assume that ALL religious people are like that.

But was Jesus the son of God?

 

[Bloomdido]

When there is no religion, we will be the gods.

We are the gods. We created them, we defend them, wage wars against disbelievers and dictate how people should live their lives by rules that we created and then attruibuted to a god or several.. There is no divine intervention. There never has been and there never will be.

 

[Riverwolf]

But was Jesus the son of God?

According to how I read the story, Christ was YHWH's avatar.

Personally, I believe the historical Jesus was an itinerant sage, whose life story is NOT chronicled accurately in the gospels: no more God's Son than you or I.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

We are the gods. We created them, we defend them, wage wars against disbelievers and dictate how people should live their lives by rules that we created and then attruibuted to a god or several.. There is no divine intervention. There never has been and there never will be.

Don't pee into the wind.

 

[Riverwolf]

Don't pee into the wind.

What does that mean?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What does that mean?

YouTube - You Don't Mess Around With Jim

 

[Bick]

Christianity is not based on 'unproven facts."

It is based upon the life, death and resurrection of an historic figure, Jesus of Nazereth.
All that is written concerning that time in Roman history, its rulers, its geography etc, are verifiable from historic writings.

As to the truth of the Bible. Have you considered the Jew? Here is a religion/race which has been persecuted, scattered around the world, and yet have not lost their national identity.

There is a nation named Israel since 1948. Before that time, scoffers would spread doubts that there ever was such a people.

Many historic events were foretold in the Bible hundreds of years before it happened

Have you read about that?

 

[Riverwolf]

Christianity is not based on 'unproven facts."

It is based upon the life, death and resurrection of an historic figure, Jesus of Nazereth.
All that is written concerning that time in Roman history, its rulers, its geography etc, are verifiable from historic writings.

And these extra-Biblical writings are where?

As to the truth of the Bible. Have you considered the Jew? Here is a religion/race which has been persecuted, scattered around the world, and yet have not lost their national identity.

There is a nation named Israel since 1948. Before that time, scoffers would spread doubts that there ever was such a people.

Not relevant at all. I've never heard of ANYONE doubting the authenticity of ancient Israel and Judah being actual Kingdoms occupying modern-day Israel. Sure, maybe some have, but how many respected historians have taken them seriously?

Many historic events were foretold in the Bible hundreds of years before it happened

Have you read about that?

I have, and am not impressed one bit nor convinced that prophecies are divine in nature.

 

[Cobblestones]

It would seem that religious people are more stupid than atheists. Having food in one's belly is a contributary factor but America bucks that trend. Look here.

"Since the slopes of the two curves are virtually identical, one would be hard pressed to claim that one factor or another was actually responsible..." It's interesting that the study didn't identify whether the more wealthy nations contained a greater number of people with a high IQ. I would imagine that this would have allowed the researchers to determine if wealth is a result of higher IQ and consequently that there is in fact a direct correlation between a higher IQ and religious beliefs. Or not. Guess we'll never know.

 

[Cobblestones]

If we apply Cobbles' logic to this mess, we can replace "theist" or "religion" with "black people" and say that Mr. Blooms is arguing for racism.

How do you figure? I have yet to see any discussion defending whether black people actually exist.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

How do you figure? I have yet to see any discussion defending whether black people actually exist.