No free will in closed system evidence of God?

[robocop (actually)]

So I was thinking, does a person have free will? We have not identified it in science although one brain part can influence another.

One person can influence another, but looking at them together there is still no decision.

Does that require God if we have free will?

 

[The Hammer]

Does that require God if we have free will?

I think it would more require a God if we didn't have free will.

 

[ChristineM]

Does that require God if we have free will?

Not that i am aware of

 

[rational experiences]

If a man human of science says I apply earth bodies planet products as science. You react it daily yourself by a machine constant. It shuts off itself in reactions.

O all day long on earth your machine applied man's science earth diminishes its body. O earth as it travels round and round the sun. Via star systems not shutting off.

One day you say by man's own applied science mass maths calculus future predictions...I know he says God destroys life by man's choice.

As a man and his science chose and calculated for the events. Why he knows by science.

 

[RestlessSoul]

If we live in a fully deterministic universe, a concept theologians like Calvin, and physicists like Gerard t’Hooft have given at least some credence too, then the clear implication is that free will cannot exist; at least not if the complex web of causality that moves the world, is temporally linear.

It appears to be generally accepted though, that we live in a probabilistic universe, wherein a maelstrom of random occurrences (de)cohere into a plausibly determinist macroscopic narrative. So the sense we have of exercising agency in our own lives, is no more (or less) illusory than any other facet of our experience.

Perhaps we can never fully understand the infinitely complex confluence of forces and influences which drive and inform not only our choices, but our will itself. Sometimes anyway, it pays to keep things simple; to trust in God, and seek His will for us.

 

[rational experiences]

Free will means by our will we move whilst other life is bound.

We own human will it's meant to be mutual. But our brother by agreement group sought to wield their will. A long time ago...their choice.

Hence to claim God a human has to place the boundaries of God by human reasons.

So if I said an alien is a concept of causes not God. I would need to define God as a boundary of its term will.

Will being a testimony. Death status.

So God is by terms deceased O as bodies of gods had O gone to hell. Then became sealed and cooled.

Earths seal as God said agreement of men was rock.

The substance rock is not O maths calculus as it's O holding not a calculus O.... was rock not numbers.

Said men.

So when a machine is built out of earths mass compared to a human living we aren't deceased as designer. The machine is takeover....alien.

First machine human to machine compared in position raised from the dead of God a machine mass.

Not a human.

Second alien movement is a machine attacking gods seal by man designers constant mind control. Entity of causes inside machine emerged. Man it's controller designer.

As men chose to change gods will and testimony deceased spirit of rock as an act of evil.

Therefore it's only men on earth who defined use of the word alien. As takeover...to invade...remove...attack... experiment. The human cause of science.

Men taught I caused man human and animal images to appear in clouds. As garden oxygenated our water.

Taken above to form extra cloud mass. Taught the reason why.

Men however ignored all of their own warnings. Did it again. Introduced the image of man's cloud burning and its removal.

The alien of nations by Satanists.

Is a known men changed gods O earth will and legal testimony.

 

[Brickjectivity]

So I was thinking, does a person have free will? We have not identified it in science although one brain part can influence another.

One person can influence another, but looking at them together there is still no decision.

Does that require God if we have free will?

I think the import of free will is not that we are or aren't in control of our destinies. I think the import of free will is that it is the proper basis for believing in making moral choices.

A good, quality conversion is because someone wants to join, not because they are afraid or feel forced. They see, and they want. Another quality conversion is someone who chooses to be forgiving, because they recognize that forgiveness is a good intelligent thing. Do they choose to forgive only out of fear that they will not be forgiven, or do they choose to forgive since it is a good thing which they think is great? That is where free will matters.

The question of destiny and causation has more than one answer but is not so important to me. Whatever the causation each person is a particular kind of thing, and that thing should be judged by its properties. If it is a murderer then those who choose to be moral will judge that thing to be immoral, and they will continue in morality and will value others with moral judgement. They uphold value and determine what is valuable. Those who have not chosen morality don't value goodness for its own sake and so sustain nothing. They are like weather flowing about according to what conditions strike. They contribute nothing of value, not applying free will, no valuing moral choice except for convenience sake. When no one is looking there is for them no morality. It has no value to them. They don't care for it for its own sake, only as means to an end.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

So I was thinking, does a person have free will? We have not identified it in science although one brain part can influence another.

One person can influence another, but looking at them together there is still no decision.

Does that require God if we have free will?

I’d say that the answer to your last question is no, but if you believe it to be yes, perhaps you could elaborate on why?

Your first question is a harder one because we certainly feel like we have free will, but it could just be a sensation. I don’t think we’ve scientifically managed to confirm either way. But perhaps some day.


Humbly
Hermit

 

[George-ananda]

Does that require God if we have free will?

Not God specifically, but some part of us that is not physical.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I’d say that the answer to your last question is no, but if you believe it to be yes, perhaps you could elaborate on why?

Your first question is a harder one because we certainly feel like we have free will, but it could just be a sensation. I don’t think we’ve scientifically managed to confirm either way. But perhaps some day.


Humbly
Hermit

A human appears to be controlling itself, but not overall.
So humans appear to be controlling each other, but not overall.
So there has to be an external decision maker.

All I was saying.

 

[rational experiences]

What my native American father taught me from his and my life attacked in modern mind control mind contact experiments. By inference a human was an evil spirit...alien first.

I'm looking for contacts yet he's trying to cause them.

Based on a machines string history direct from melted earth mass metals. What he's personally controlling using claiming the machine is alien.

Reactive machine earth mass space hole on reaction alien in machine. Only. Not atmospheric transmitters.

As humans are naturally recorded imaged in our technology.

Father said his DNA owns spiritual life consciousness in America. Indian. Native father land owner.

Your governing is by world community as America invaders memory as human alien takeover for trade technology riches. Of America.

Father's spiritual first human perfection health. Just a memory of image voice to all his human children. We don't own anymore what our first parents biological did.

Then in America his national race even more alien to your own countries father nation memories. By thoughts.

Falsification of all just a humans ideas. Memory lived human reasoning behaviours.

So when science by human invention owns operates machines they built control as humsns....constantly. Just by bio thinking as humans in America you live as the worst theists on earth.

Including the fact total earth life destruction origin was in American science historic. All the advice equals bad human memories.

Why you preach some very inane alien theories as a so called theist and scientist.

Just a human born a human who infers advice historic to first two human parents. In theory you always quote the first two human parents.

Not aliens.

Are in fact irrational. As men of science taught I had conjured artificial spirit causes that don't belong anywhere. As earths mass should not be converted destroyed.

If you just converted earths mass O position earth in space there would be no alien theme.

Cooling by microbial oxygenated water caused a fake cause. Destructive human choice.

Water is holy life. Designer man changed holy water. A condition you knew already as microbes aren't aliens either.

 

[Willamena]

So I was thinking, does a person have free will? We have not identified it in science although one brain part can influence another.

One person can influence another, but looking at them together there is still no decision.

Does that require God if we have free will?

What does Free Will mean to you? (i.e. that it might be found in a brain)

 

[Willamena]

If a man human of science says I apply earth bodies planet products as science. You react it daily yourself by a machine constant. It shuts off itself in reactions.

O all day long on earth your machine applied man's science earth diminishes its body. O earth as it travels round and round the sun. Via star systems not shutting off.

One day you say by man's own applied science mass maths calculus future predictions...I know he says God destroys life by man's choice.

As a man and his science chose and calculated for the events. Why he knows by science.

Commas are our friends.

 

[robocop (actually)]

What does Free Will mean to you? (i.e. that it might be found in a brain)

Being in control of something else, especially yourself.

 

[Willamena]

A human appears to be controlling itself, but not overall.

How "not overall?" Give me an example.

So humans appear to be controlling each other, but not overall.

How "not overall?"

So there has to be an external decision maker.

All I was saying.

 

[Willamena]

Being in control of something else, especially yourself.

We could get into the whole "is there anything else?" Buddhism thing, but I like this answer none-the-less.

So you are in control of which things? Things that you identify with? Things other than yourself?

 

[robocop (actually)]

How "not overall?" Give me an example.


How "not overall?"

Parts of a human brain control other parts, but when you look at the brain as a whole, it is controlled.

Subsets of people can control other subsets, but when you look as a whole, they are controlled.

There seems to be a need for an external source of decision making however you slice it.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I think it would more require a God if we didn't have free will.

I think the same, as a hard determinist.

 

[rational experiences]

We are human.

We are free will moving not attached to mass as an added on phase of mass as a higher body.

Otherwise we'd be a human melded with grounds mass seeing the atmosphere mingles with earths ground mass.

A basic teaching.

As babies our conscious began sperm ovary baby toddler. So without two parents our will...to go about aimlessly would cause us to die.

Is motivated free will guided taught by parental memory. Humans.

As no matter what conversation you make in your head. You are just a human as a human.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I think it would more require a God if we didn't have free will.

I do not have a free will. My response is generated by my raising up, religion, education, past and present life experiences, and the reaction my actions will create with my wife, children and others who are around me. But even with all this I am doing OK and do not require any God..