No other Path to Unity but God.

[Spirit of Light]

The difference is faith is faith and reality is reality, and when it comes to reality, what you see is what you get.

The unseen opens up when you let go of physical reality. Its more to reality then eyes can see.

 

[lukethethird]

The unseen opens up when you let go of physical reality. Its more to reality then eyes can see.

Personally I prefer drugs, perfectly legal drugs that waste no time taking me there, but whatever gets you through the night I suppose.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Personally I prefer drugs, perfectly legal drugs that waste no time taking me there, but whatever gets you through the night I suppose.

My drug is the love of God, dont need any drug substance to have love from God

 

[CG Didymus]

Why would anyone care about what Baha'u'llah says about bringing peace and unity when he failed to bring it about in his lifetime

Supposedly, all he was responsible for was offering it. He sends letters to leaders of a few countries, and they, for the most part, reject him. So, then he says that the world is going to go through some terrible times that will force the people of the world to unite, that's the lesser peace.

the Lesser Peace will initially be a political unity arrived at by decision of the various governments of the world. The unity of nations can be taken as that unity which arises from a recognition among the peoples of the various nations, that they are members of one common human family.
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I don't think the world is ready to try and unite on a world scale. People are way too divided over lots of stuff. And some of those things are so important to people that they will fight over them. In fact, in a lot of ways, I think some of the Baha'is are adding to the divisions between people. I agree with you way more than I agree with some of them. But should we at least listen to the Baha'i plan or keep ignoring it? One problem I see is that the Baha'i plan expects the nations to disarm. As the world is today, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[lukethethird]

My drug is the love of God, dont need any drug substance to have love from God

Some people are in love with their beliefs, I've heard of that, whatever floats your boat.

 

[CG Didymus]

That would be against Baha'i Law

God has always left the choice of faith to us, and if it requires crisis like the world has rarely seen, then that will be so.

Regards Tony

But Baha'is are radical. They say "Christ has returned." They say, "The old world is being rolled up and a new one is being rolled out." Yeah, so let's see it. Go ahead rolled it out. But then Baha'is are told to obey their government, to serve in the military. So, the Baha'is aren't in the forefront of any movement to bring about needed change. The crises are here. The leaders in most countries aren't going to change... until they are forced out. But Baha'is can't be part of those movements calling for change. And the Baha'i plan calls for the leaders of the nations to unite? It looks like people are going to have to unite and force them to change or get out of the way.

So, if there is a fight to overthrow the governments of the world, rolling up the old, and installing new, more just, more unified governments, what would the Baha'is do? Join the military for the old governments? And maybe that has already happened. What did Baha'is do in Iran? Did they support the Shah? Did Baha'is in Germany join in support of Hitler? Or did they refuse to fight for either side?

 

[CG Didymus]

Finding peace in this world has become more and more difficult, but for those who has peace within, have to lead by example of what peace within does to us

But the call, supposedly from God, is that it is time for the world to unite as one people. Should we support the Baha'is in this? Their plan, they say, is from God. Do you believe it is? Do you think it will work?

 

[CG Didymus]

Slowly I am learning not to reply to such posts.

Believe it not, they do hasten what we will face.

Regards Tony

That's the kind of posts that religious people have to face. Is the "stuff" they are saying make sense? Religions keep putting things out there that turn people away. Is Jesus going to come riding down from the sky on a white horse and destroy Satan and all the evil people? Maybe, maybe not.

Then the Baha'is say, "Christ has already come... and gone." And the world is still in a mess... And actually worse off? What is the plan and why do you think it will work? Problem is that every quote about the plan involves God and his manifestation. So, first you've gotten try and prove that God is real, and the Baha'u'llah was sent by that God. Baha'is got bogged down with that before they can even get anything about what the message was. Religions and their promises and failures have turned a lot of people off to trusting anybody that claims they were sent by God.

 

[CG Didymus]

As the future unfolds, this has been offered by Baha'u'llah as to where the power of unity eminates from.

"This Revelation is endowed with such a power that it will act as the lodestone for all nations and kindreds of the earth. Should one pause to meditate attentively he would recognize that no place is there, nor can there be, for anyone to flee to." (Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 200)

Regards Tony

And which religion doesn't say something similar. Times are bad and are going to get worse but worry not the Savior is coming to save the day.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Baha'i belief is @TransmutingSoul personal belief, nothing wrong in that. He explains how he understand reality through his faith.

You explain your reality through your understanding of reality.

Its just teo different ways to look atcthe same issue.

Baha'is, like some Christians, believe they have the real truth from God. The truth that is needed to fix the problems of the world. People are expected to hear the message of Baha'u'llah and come to believe it... That he is the Promised One of all the past religions. No matter what religion a person is or was, they should recognize that Baha'u'llah is the fulfillment of their religion.

He says it is time to unite. It is time for the world to be one. Then he says that we should listen to him and do as he says. It's not just "his", Tony's, beliefs. The Baha'i Faith is claiming it is the true beliefs that all people should eventually believe in and see that they are the truth.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Baha'is, like some Christians, believe they have the real truth from God. The truth that is needed to fix the problems of the world. People are expected to hear the message of Baha'u'llah and come to believe it... That he is the Promised One of all the past religions. No matter what religion a person is or was, they should recognize that Baha'u'llah is the fulfillment of their religion.

He says it is time to unite. It is time for the world to be one. Then he says that we should listen to him and do as he says. It's not just "his", Tony's, beliefs. The Baha'i Faith is claiming it is the true beliefs that all people should eventually believe in and see that they are the truth.

I personally do not see a problem with that.

 

[CG Didymus]

My drug is the love of God, dont need any drug substance to have love from God

A person can "love" lots of variations of what they believe God to be. And again, look at all the Christians that "love" Jesus. But they are believing he is God... along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Is that love aimed at and meant for something that is real? Or is it just a concept and belief they hold, that could be false, and it becomes the focus and focal point of their love?

 

[CG Didymus]

I personally do not see a problem with that.

Good for you, you seem to be in a place that is above these kinds of things. It is strange how religious people, even of the same faith, quibble over such small things. But how small is the claim that Baha'u'llah is the new messenger for a new age? To me, that's not small. To you, I'm glad that even that is small.

 

[Spirit of Light]

A person can "love" lots of variations of what they believe God to be. And again, look at all the Christians that "love" Jesus. But they are believing he is God... along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Is that love aimed at and meant for something that is real? Or is it just a concept and belief they hold, that could be false, and it becomes the focus and focal point of their love?

I can't speak for others.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Good for you, you seem to be in a place that is above these kinds of things. It is strange how religious people, even of the same faith, quibble over such small things. But how small is the claim that Baha'u'llah is the new messenger for a new age? To me, that's not small. To you, I'm glad that even that is small.

I might have gone passed the "my beliefs is more correct than yours" kind of comment or thinking.

First I have to fix my own pitfalls before I even can think of telling others what is best for them ( I don't know what is best for others)

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Supposedly, all he was responsible for was offering it. He sends letters to leaders of a few countries, and they, for the most part, reject him. So, then he says that the world is going to go through some terrible times that will force the people of the world to unite, that's the lesser peace.

the Lesser Peace will initially be a political unity arrived at by decision of the various governments of the world. The unity of nations can be taken as that unity which arises from a recognition among the peoples of the various nations, that they are members of one common human family.
​

I don't think the world is ready to try and unite on a world scale. People are way too divided over lots of stuff. And some of those things are so important to people that they will fight over them. In fact, in a lot of ways, I think some of the Baha'is are adding to the divisions between people. I agree with you way more than I agree with some of them. But should we at least listen to the Baha'i plan or keep ignoring it? One problem I see is that the Baha'i plan expects the nations to disarm. As the world is today, that ain't gonna happen.

The world reflects our ability to unite as one human race in wise choices, choices that embrace God's given wisdom.

Our individual choices become our judgement, yet God also does not want us to make choices based on fear of retribution or desire for reward, God's Wisdom is to be embraced as a selfless act of Love, the longing to be a servant to all people.

The example is Abdul'baha.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So, if there is a fight to overthrow the governments of the world, rolling up the old, and installing new, more just, more unified governments, what would the Baha'is do? Join the military for the old governments? And maybe that has already happened. What did Baha'is do in Iran? Did they support the Shah? Did Baha'is in Germany join in support of Hitler? Or did they refuse to fight for either side?

Back in the 80' when my wife an I first pioneered to North Qld we ended up on the Atherton Tablelands and the Baha'i Community there was very active. Many wonderful times. The most loving families with wonderful children.

This is one of the Baha'i and an example of a Baha'i life,

Far North Queenslanders recognised in 2020 Queen's Birthday honours

I worked for another Baha'i that did a fruit run out to where I currently live.

This is a link to what came of one of those children, it shows how we can change the world one heart at a time.

Saphira Rameshfar

The world does not need to change via conflict, it needs to choose change in a peaceful manner, so maybe the change will be initiated by an unforeseen calamity, we can not know CG. I have no idea as to how the change will happen, so I live the life as a Baha'i the best I can.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That's the kind of posts that religious people have to face. Is the "stuff" they are saying make sense? Religions keep putting things out there that turn people away. Is Jesus going to come riding down from the sky on a white horse and destroy Satan and all the evil people? Maybe, maybe not.

Then the Baha'is say, "Christ has already come... and gone." And the world is still in a mess... And actually worse off? What is the plan and why do you think it will work? Problem is that every quote about the plan involves God and his manifestation. So, first you've gotten try and prove that God is real, and the Baha'u'llah was sent by that God. Baha'is got bogged down with that before they can even get anything about what the message was. Religions and their promises and failures have turned a lot of people off to trusting anybody that claims they were sent by God.

The plan is to let everyone know they have a choice.

If and when a person decides they are ready to pursue a choice to find out what Baha'u'llah offered, well we may be able to help answer those questions.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And which religion doesn't say something similar. Times are bad and are going to get worse but worry not the Savior is coming to save the day.

They offer the same choice CG as they are from the same source.

This is the 'Day of God', the age where we can embrace the oneness of humanity under One God.

Jesus offered that it is our choice to pick up the cross and follow Him, Muhammad offered that there is no Compulsion in religion, the Bab and Baha'u'llah offered the Most Great Peace, free of obligation.

This is how God has always given the Message, it will not change, what can change is our choices CG. That choice has been put in front of you for decades, so only you can know why the Message given by Baha'u'llah is not your aim in life.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I personally do not see a problem with that.

I must say I love your new name.

Regards Tony