No room for questions in heaven. How will you ask ?

[stvdv]

Please elaborate.

Understanding = Mind
Bliss = No Mind

 

[chinu]

It is not silly. Because the OP is not about sex, but about Heaven

Thank you

 

[SalixIncendium]

Of course sex NOT part of heaven. Endless-sex-pleasure is just the nearest possible example for human beings to make understand heaven.

I see where you're coming from, but I vehemently disagree. Sex-pleasure is an attachment. I don't think it's wise to compare a state that is free from attachment to an attachment.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Understanding = Mind
Bliss = No Mind

True, but without understanding of devotion one's true nature, there is no shift to bliss. As I see it, a person either needs understanding to achieve bliss or to not have experienced being a person at all.

 

[chinu]

I was going to attempt to answer this thread. But then my mind was flooded with images of intimacy in heaven that are like the scene from that movie where a female superhero tries to have intimacy with a regular guy and she's so powerful, the bed flies through the neighbor's wall. So I'm not to the point of fully comprehending the content of the thread and a proper answer yet. But I do wish warm regards.

 

[stvdv]

True, but without understanding of devotion one's true nature, there is no shift to bliss. As I see it, a person either needs understanding to achieve bliss or to not have experienced being a person at all.

When there is Bliss, there is no understanding ... just Bliss

Or do you have experienced Bliss + Understanding?

 

[SalixIncendium]

When there is Bliss, there is no understanding ... just Bliss

Or do you have experienced Bliss + Understanding?

As I said, I agree with you that in a state of bliss, there is no understanding.

But if you read what I wrote, as a human, it takes a level of understanding to realize bliss. One has to have the understanding that they need to shed attachment and desire.

Yes, understanding is a desire, but the human condition requires having it to shed it.

 

[chinu]

I see where you're coming from, but I vehemently disagree. Sex-pleasure is an attachment. I don't think it's wise to compare a state that is free from attachment to an attachment.

Already the comparison with huge difference given in OP. It is NO way comparable at all. Its just an example to complete the best possible definition, friend.

 

[chinu]

Okay, so you're talking about an ecstatic state akin to satcitananda.

What is satcitananda ?

So in getting back to the OP, "over and over" really doesn't make sense here, as when one is in such a state, as I understand it, it is constant, eternal, and timeless. "Over and over" implies a temporary state that begins and ends. How can a state of being that is eternal, constant and timeless have a beginning and an end.

Good suggestion. Perhaps you're right. I will edit

Regarding the remark about questions, as I see it, when one is not in this state of "heaven," there are questions with no answer. When one attains a state of "heaven," there is an answer, but no questions.

There's even NO answer because answer-er is busy in getting endless pleasure.

Please don't disturb the answer-er !!!

 

[SalixIncendium]

What is satcitananda ?

Existence-consciousness-bliss. The nature of Ultimate reality...Para Brahman. What you may well be referring to as "heaven."

There's even NO answer because answer-er is busy in getting endless pleasure.

Please don't disturb the answer-er !!!

What if the there is no answerer? Only an the answer?

 

[chinu]

Existence-consciousness-bliss. The nature of Ultimate reality...Para Brahman. What you may well be referring to as "heaven."

Thanks for sharing

What if the there is no answerer? Only an the answer?

Why should there be an answer-er ? why one need one ?

 

[stvdv]

I see where you're coming from, but I vehemently disagree. Sex-pleasure is an attachment. I don't think it's wise to compare a state that is free from attachment to an attachment.

The Wise convey the message in Silence, but that is not the way on RF. So, although not the way of the Wise, it's still very useful

Here on RF, some are quite interested in sex. Step one is "let go of sex (+attachment)" IF "you want" Bliss. So, it does make sense

Furthermore most people can relate to sex as "feeling good", so explaining that Bliss "feels" 100++ times better makes also sense

Most people are unaware of this Bliss, so first they should be aware of it, in a way they can relate to; hence sex makes sense

 

[chinu]

The Wise convey the message in Silence, but that is not the way on RF. So, although not the way of the Wise, it's still very useful

Here on RF, some are quite interested in sex. Step one is "let go of sex (+attachment)" IF "you want" Bliss. So, it does make sense

Furthermore most people can relate to sex as "feeling good", so explaining that Bliss "feels" 100++ times better makes also sense

Most people are unaware of this Bliss, so first they should be aware of it, in a way they can relate to; hence sex makes sense

Really thank you for explaining in such a good way.

 

[exchemist]

It is not silly. Because the OP is not about sex, but about Heaven

To use sex as an illustration of a state of pleasure is shallow, and silly.

 

[chinu]

To use sex as an illustration of a state of pleasure is shallow, and silly.

then you tell what to use ?

 

[SalixIncendium]

The Wise convey the message in Silence, but that is not the way on RF. So, although not the way of the Wise, it's still very useful

Here on RF, some are quite interested in sex. Step one is "let go of sex (+attachment)" IF "you want" Bliss. So, it does make sense

Furthermore most people can relate to sex as "feeling good", so explaining that Bliss "feels" 100++ times better makes also sense

Most people are unaware of this Bliss, so first they should be aware of it, in a way they can relate to; hence sex makes sense

Why not just compare it to ecstasy? Satcitananda has been referred to by sages as an ecstatic state.

 

[stvdv]

But if you read what I wrote, as a human, it takes a level of understanding to realize bliss. One has to have the understanding that they need to shed attachment and desire.

Yes, understanding is a desire, but the human condition requires having it to shed it.

I read very well what you wrote,

because I replied to below quote of yours.
Now in above quote you shift to another meaning of "understanding"

is it experienced by few after a level of understanding or realization?

I just made very clear that there is no "level" of understanding needed, in the sense that it's only a "few" who can reach it. It's very simple, not easy

 

[chinu]

Why not just compare it to ecstasy? Satcitananda has been referred to by sages as an ecstatic state.

1st: because, traditional language/methods of understanding things are quite hard for today's world.
2nd: people usually get stuck with traditionalism first, rather than sticking with the real point.

 

[stvdv]

To use sex as an illustration of a state of pleasure is shallow, and silly.

You make a claim, and not a good one nor a smart one. IF there is one who disagrees than your claim is proven wrong. I disagree.

In Hinduism Tantra is a valid path to reach God. So, this illustration is not shallow nor silly (belittling others is not the way of a spiritual warrior)

 

[exchemist]

You make a claim, and not a good one nor a smart one. IF there is one who disagrees than your claim is proven wrong. I disagree.

In Hinduism Tantra is a valid path to reach God. So, this illustration is not shallow nor silly (belittling others is not the way of a spiritual warrior)

I don't claim to be a spiritual warrior, whatever that may be.

And I'm not Hindu either. If you want to make this a Hindu discussion you should have put it in the appropriate DIR.