I don't think entertaining described my emotions.
I felt embarrassed on behalf of all the members of the species I belong to.:sorry1:
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Noah's Ark
- Thread starter Oryonder
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I felt embarrassed on behalf of all the members of the species I belong to.:sorry1:
JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
Oh I agree 100%! I was being sarcastic, very much so! Some of us stopped believing in fairy tales as we grew up and matured, others did not unfortunatly.
But then again I remember watching TV coverage of the 2nd or 3rd Apollo landings on the Moon at my grandparents house in the country NW of Fort Worth, Texas. I was 17-18 they were in there late 60, early 70's. Niether of them finished HS little on went to college, both were raised in the country and were very Superstitious. Whey refused to believe we had actually landed on the Moon and that it was all a fake and that it was impossable to go to the Moon (too far away)! Yet they loved to watch the wrestling matches every week on that same old BW TV and thought it to be very real!
Perhaps they thought the matches were real and not fake because they could go to the Northside Colisium in Fort Worth and watch the matches live, which they did occasionally, but they couldn't understand how anyone could go to the Moon!!! OBTW they were not particularly religious at all and certainly not fundies. :cover:JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
When the tough questions come up and there's no plausible answers in their book of truths the fairy tale falls apart and the fairy tale proponents disappear. Common sense should prevail, but seldom does as brainwashing is hard to erase.
A few simple facts as to why a global flood never occurred:
I'm reminded of a joke my Dad told about a simple uneducated country boy.
Joe: Hey Nate which is closer, the Sun or New York City?
Nate: Any Damn fool knows that, the Sun is closer, hell I can see the Sun I can't see New York!
Nuff said! LOL
A few simple facts as to why a global flood never occurred:
- Not enough water on earth to cover the highest mountains by a factor of 10. Including water vapore in the atmosphere, fresh water lakes, polar ice caps and underground.
- Rapid mountain rise and lowering of valleys (as proported by flood believers) would release enough enegy to boiled the oceans away (tectonic movement).
- If all the earth was covered with water where did it run off to after the rain stopped?
- If it rained that much all that water would still be here since in would have no place to run off to. (Waterworld).
- No evidence in fossil record of catastrophic global flood.
- Impossibility of gathering/redistributing all the animals
- Impossibility of Feeding/Watering/Housing millions of animals in a small wooden boat for any period of time, little on months.
- Impossibility of keeping a wooden boat glued together w/tar afloat on a global ocean
- Continuance of older culture prior to/after purported flood date
- Most saltwater life in the ocean would have perished due to the extreme drop in salinity due to being mixed with all the fresh rain water.
I'm reminded of a joke my Dad told about a simple uneducated country boy.
Joe: Hey Nate which is closer, the Sun or New York City?
Nate: Any Damn fool knows that, the Sun is closer, hell I can see the Sun I can't see New York!
Nuff said! LOL
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
The rest of your post makes sense but the idea that increasing the amount of water in the world by a factor of 10 wouldn't be enough to cover the highest mountains is just wrong.
The current highest mountain (Everest) is just under 9 KM high, with 13,860,000,000 KM^3 (10 times the current amount) of water you'd be able to cover a mountain around 27 KM high.
JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
Thanks Zoe, that should have been "a factor > 10 times" My bad!!
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
What?! That's worse!
JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
OK my bad again I misread your original post more like 3 times the existing amount of water on earth, is that better? :sorry1:
Zoe Doidge
Basically a Goddess
Much better.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
vapor might have been a better word to use then mist
humidity is a form of water that will not produce rainbows in the light...cmon, use your imaginations
Of course. On the seventh day God rested and had a brew.are you guys including all the beer that was being made in Egypt at the time as well?
gnostic
The Lost One
Beer? Why are we talking about beer?
Ok, if we are going to talk about beer, then I might else well go off topic too.
In Egyptian myth, in the story known as the Destruction of Mankind, the sun god Ra sent his EYE, in the form of lion goddess Hathor, to hunt, kill and devour men, for disobedient. When she was doing her duty so well, Ra wanted to stop her from killing everyone. But she refused to stop killing any survivor that she could find.
So Ra ordered beer-goddesses to brew beer, and mixed it with mandrake and ocher, so that the beer looked like blood. They flooded entire valley with red-beer. When Hathor came upon, she drank until she was completely intoxicated, and forgot about killing humans.
Here, there is a flood in this story, but no Ark. It was a flood (and BEER!!!!) that actually saved mankind instead of killing them.
How's that for irony?
Ok, if we are going to talk about beer, then I might else well go off topic too.
In Egyptian myth, in the story known as the Destruction of Mankind, the sun god Ra sent his EYE, in the form of lion goddess Hathor, to hunt, kill and devour men, for disobedient. When she was doing her duty so well, Ra wanted to stop her from killing everyone. But she refused to stop killing any survivor that she could find.
So Ra ordered beer-goddesses to brew beer, and mixed it with mandrake and ocher, so that the beer looked like blood. They flooded entire valley with red-beer. When Hathor came upon, she drank until she was completely intoxicated, and forgot about killing humans.
Here, there is a flood in this story, but no Ark. It was a flood (and BEER!!!!) that actually saved mankind instead of killing them.
How's that for irony?
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None of your bullet points "hold water" , and most have been addressed in previous posts. The statement about the "impossibility of feeding...millions of animals in a small wooden boat" is without any basis. Where in the Bible does it state that Noah took "millions of animals" into the ark? Your other points contain factual errors or are just plain wrong.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Could you go through at least some of the bullet-points and explain, with reference to relevant facts, how and why they are wrong?
outhouse
Atheistically
shawn001
Well-Known Member
The beer of course was a joke!
Rusra, there was NO global flood for a fact! Its a done deal if you like the outcome or not. Ice Core samples going back a million yers and geology and paleoclimitology have already proven it totally! There was no Global flood, its a myth, probably taken from the sumerians, who have an extremely similar story in a place where it use to flood a lot.
Rusra, there was NO global flood for a fact! Its a done deal if you like the outcome or not. Ice Core samples going back a million yers and geology and paleoclimitology have already proven it totally! There was no Global flood, its a myth, probably taken from the sumerians, who have an extremely similar story in a place where it use to flood a lot.
gnostic
The Lost One
justwondering2 said:
Other valid points that creationists can't understand or explain away:
- What do animals eat after the flood, if all plants were destroyed by global flood?
- What do carnivore animals eat, but other animals?
The above questions relate to redistributing animals throughout the world.
Creationists like rusra02 don't understand if the land was cover to the depth of the highest mountains (like those in the Himalaya and the Andes, then land vegetation would not survive the freezing water, nor the tonnes of crushing pressures exerted on everything, right down to seeds.
Top soils would have disappeared would have disappeared from erosion on the 1st ten days of rains. Top soils that wouldn't be recovered for decades. There wouldn't be Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations because it would be virtually impossible to start farming because of no top soil.
David M
Well-Known Member
And if you are arguing that there were not millions of animals then you have just accepted hyper evolution, new species with significant differences in morphology (far greater than the separation between humans and chimpanzees) appearing at a rate ridiculously faster than that shown by the evidence or proposed by evolution.
I'll take just the last three:
Impossibility of keeping a wooden boat glued together w/tar afloat on a global ocean
Nothing in the Bible indicates that the Ark was "glued together w/tar. We are not told how Noah fastened the timbers together. Wooden drive nails are used to this day to build wooden ship, and are called treenails. Further, metals were available in the pre-Flood world. (Genesis 4:22) But the Ark was certainly not "glued together w/tar.
Continuance of older culture prior to/after purported flood date
Date estimates for supposed older cultures are based on admittedly imperfect dating techniques.
Most saltwater life in the ocean would have perished due to the extreme drop in salinity due to being mixed with all the fresh rain water.
That is nothing more than speculation. There is no way to determine the salinity of pre-Flood water, nor the changes brought by the Flood.
Again, that argument doesn't "hold water". The Bible states that God took animals into the ark "according to their kinds", such as dog kind, horse kind, or cow kind. The various species of horses, dogs, or cows all descended from one or several reproductive pairs, which is what Noah took into the Ark. The ability to produce great variety within a "kind" was built-in by God, who created each kind, and did not involve "evolution" as that word is commonly understood.