Non-Binary

[Argentbear]

Not sure what you want but here's this ..

"Children with gender dysphoria often experience a range of psychiatric comorbidities, with a high prevalence of mood and anxiety disorders, trauma, eating disorders and autism spectrum conditions, suicidality and self-harm"

It is vitally important to consider psychiatric comorbidities when prioritising and sequencing treatments for children with gender dysphoria.

The development of international treatment guidelines would provide greater consistency across diagnosis, treatment and ongoing management.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00049530.2021.1900747#:~:text=Children%20with%20gender%20dysphoria%20often,%2C%20suicidality%20and%20self%2Dharm.

"Further, many children who show gender dysphoria before puberty do not continue to do so during and after pubertal changes occur. However, if gender dysphoria does persist into adolescence, its intensity tends to increase at this time"

Transgender children and young people: how the evidence can point the way forward - PMC

The development of gender identity in children from around the age of 3 years is described. Wishes for transgender identity are distinguished from gender-atypical behaviour. Reasons for the recent rise in transgender referrals in the early teen ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

yeah trans children who develop gender dysphoria early generally outgrow it and remain trans.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

while many do react negatively to those with schizophrenia that isn't the source of dysfunction. If you take away the negative response the dysfunction in multiple life areas is still there. In contrast trans people function in daily life just fine in spite of bigotry.

Even post op trans people still deal with minority stress. Yes, we become more comfortable with ourself but at the same time, as Kermit tells us, it's not easy being green.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Most of the time kids with GD have other mental conditions and/or they end up being gay. Most kids with GD - if allowed to go thru puberty without the influence of "gender affirming care" (GAC) - grow out of their GD poonaturally.

Most adults who present with symptoms of gynder dysphoria won't be transitioning. This is known to clinicians. This is known to researchers. This is why a medical transition requires time and more self reflection and discovery than what most people can fathom.
If you were trans one of the first things you'd learn is a lot of people end up not transitioning afterall. Many don't get bottom surgery. Some really are dealing with complicated mental illnesses. Some even learn, in this period of self exploration and discovery, many evem learn they're just effeminate and gay.
You really are like a YEC trying to discuss biology and science and going on about how evolution is "just a theory." In their profound ignorance they don't even understand how scientifically that is true. What's your point? How about we just let the experts work without having to explain such inane points?

 

[Argentbear]

Even post op trans people still deal with minority stress. Yes, we become more comfortable with ourself but at the same time, as Kermit tells us, it's not easy being green.

Minority stress is very real but it comes from external pressures

 

[icehorse]

Are you confused by something I said?

I'm not sure what you found confusing in post #476, probably best to just move on.

But here's a quote from - arguably - Finland's leading doctor on gender dysphoria, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala:

We noted in our study a point that is generally ignored by gender activists. That is, for the overwhelming majority of gender dysphoric children—around 80 percent—their dysphoria resolves itself if they are left to go through natural puberty. Often these children come to realize they are gay.

And here's a link to the interview from which I copy and pasted the quote above:

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’

 

[Left Coast]

I'm not sure what you found confusing in post #476, probably best to just move on.

You edited your post after I replied. That's probably why you were confused by my response.

But here's a quote from - arguably - Finland's leading doctor on gender dysphoria, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala:

We noted in our study a point that is generally ignored by gender activists. That is, for the overwhelming majority of gender dysphoric children—around 80 percent—their dysphoria resolves itself if they are left to go through natural puberty. Often these children come to realize they are gay.

Thank you!

 

[Argentbear]

I'm not sure what you found confusing in post #476, probably best to just move on.

But here's a quote from - arguably - Finland's leading doctor on gender dysphoria, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala:



And here's a link to the interview from which I copy and pasted the quote above:

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’

gender dysphoria is not transgenderism

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not sure what you found confusing in post #476, probably best to just move on.

But here's a quote from - arguably - Finland's leading doctor on gender dysphoria, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala:



And here's a link to the interview from which I copy and pasted the quote above:

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’

Again, she is literally not old enough to have pioneered this. Medical transistions first happen over 100 years ago. She didn't pioneer it.

 

[Argentbear]

I'm not sure what you found confusing in post #476, probably best to just move on.

But here's a quote from - arguably - Finland's leading doctor on gender dysphoria, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala:

i beleive Dr Kailtala is under investigation in Finland following the publication of allegations of emotional, physical and sexual abuse from former patients at her clinic

Her claim comes from a discredited 30 year old study

And here's a link to the interview from which I copy and pasted the quote above:

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’

She didn't actually do this.

 

[icehorse]

Again, she is literally not old enough to have pioneered this. Medical transistions first happen over 100 years ago. She didn't pioneer it.

We're talking about gender affirming care, aka the Dutch Protocol.

 

[We Never Know]

i beleive Dr Kailtala is under investigation in Finland following the publication of allegations of emotional, physical and sexual abuse from former patients at her clinic

Citation needed

Her claim comes from a discredited 30 year old study


She didn't actually do this.

Just google her name. Many articles come up..

Examples...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-topsurgery/

Finland Takes Another Look at Youth Gender Medicine

A recent interview with the country's top gender expert shows how out of step the American medical establishment is with its European counterparts

www.tabletmag.com

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’

My country, and others, found there is no solid evidence supporting the medical transitioning of young people. Why aren’t American clinicians paying attention?

www.thefp.com

 

[Argentbear]

We're talking about gender affirming care, aka the Dutch Protocol.

and she didn't do that . she had no prior experience with with either adolescents or with the transgendered prior to 2012

 

[icehorse]

and she didn't do that . she had no prior experience with with either adolescents or with the transgendered prior to 2012

Which is when the Dutch Protocol was created...

 

[Argentbear]

Citation needed


Just google her name. Many articles come up..

Examples...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-topsurgery/

Finland Takes Another Look at Youth Gender Medicine

A recent interview with the country's top gender expert shows how out of step the American medical establishment is with its European counterparts

www.tabletmag.com

‘Gender-Affirming Care Is Dangerous. I Know Because I Helped Pioneer It.’

My country, and others, found there is no solid evidence supporting the medical transitioning of young people. Why aren’t American clinicians paying attention?

www.thefp.com

as requested. you will need to fire up google translate for it
"patients under the age of 16 at Dr. Kaltiala's clinic were subjected to invasive lines of questioning–including being asked to describe how they masturbate and the n forced to demonstrate masturbation–as part of the process for evaluating access to gender-affirming care.


"In an email to The Stranger, Kaltiala said that the clinic asks about masturbation because sexual development is “an important facet of adolescent development,” and she added that “in assessing adolescents’ health care needs, different facets of adolescent development are elicited.”"


"She also defended her stance on ROGD: “I have seen so many young people who experience gender dysphoria or present with transgender identity in adolescence after no sign of any distress related to gender or any sign of gender nonconformity in childhood,”"

 

[We Never Know]

as requested. you will need to fire up google translate for it
"patients under the age of 16 at Dr. Kaltiala's clinic were subjected to invasive lines of questioning–including being asked to describe how they masturbate and the n forced to demonstrate masturbation–as part of the process for evaluating access to gender-affirming care.


"In an email to The Stranger, Kaltiala said that the clinic asks about masturbation because sexual development is “an important facet of adolescent development,” and she added that “in assessing adolescents’ health care needs, different facets of adolescent development are elicited.”"


"She also defended her stance on ROGD: “I have seen so many young people who experience gender dysphoria or present with transgender identity in adolescence after no sign of any distress related to gender or any sign of gender nonconformity in childhood,”"

I will pass. Thanks

 

[Argentbear]

I will pass. Thanks

refusing to look at evidence of won't make it go away. And it won't change what the kids under her "care" have had to endure.

 

[We Never Know]

refusing to look at evidence of won't make it go away. And it won't change what the kids under her "care" have had to endure.

Then give it in English.

You use google to translate it and post it in English.

 

[Argentbear]

Then give it in English.

You use google to translate it and post it in English.

where do you think the quotes I posted came from?

 

[We Never Know]

where do you think the quotes I posted came from?

If they are from your source, then why tell me to fire up google translate for it?

What are you upset about. That she asked about masterbation. That's seems the normal.

As for asking them to demonstrate it, that is more than likely crossing a line..but I have no idea.

 

[Argentbear]

If they are from your source, then why tell me to fire up google translate for it?

What are you upset about. That she asked about masterbation. That's seems the normal.

View attachment 92882

As for asking them to demonstrate it, that is more than likely crossing a line..but I have no idea.

No it is abuse, sexual abuse specifically.
There is no medical reason to know just how a patient masturbates, what techniques or positions they use. NONE. And no psychiatric reason. They only only thing to come out of such a sick line of questioning is to cause emotional harm to the child. True the pedophile asking the question probably gets a good thill but I suppose you don't have any idea if that is wrong either. The most disgusting thing here how you are defending the perverse sexual abuse of children.