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Non-Christians only: Seeking advise for helping a Christian friend

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
The reason why I am posting this thread is to ask for the advice of non-Christians about an uncomfortable dilemma that I have found myself in and I'm not quite sure how to handle it. I decided to direct my thread solely to non-Christians because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective at this time. If you are not a Christian, feel free to comment on both my opening post and any subsequent ones. I don't know if you personally believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but my thread isn't the place to discuss it or debate it with me or with anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living, and instead focus on the uncomfortable situation that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post.

Please take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

I'm a Wiccan and a polytheist, and my good friend is an ardent Christian. She is aware that I am no longer a Christian and, although she is concerned by my deconversion, she has never pressed the issue until now. She has put me in an awkward predicament since she wants to ask God for protection at the séance I've agreed to help her with the night after Halloween. She originally intended to hold the séance on Halloween night, but she changed her mind after I told her I didn't think that was a good idea. I told her that Halloween is a difficult day for me, and it's hard enough for me to keep the spirits in check without purposely inviting them to come speak to me in a séance. She knows that I am no longer a Christian and she knows that discussing the subject often upsets me or makes me feel very uncomfortable. However, she did give me her word that she wouldn't inform the other guests that I'm a psychic medium either before or after they arrived at the séance. I won't say anything to the other guests either, because I prefer to let other people figure it out on their own, or they're left to wonder if they're rude and obnoxious towards me once they figure it out or someone else tells them.

My dilemma is, do I go ahead with the séance or do I back out since she is pressing the issue of praying to God for protection even though she knows that doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable? I haven't said anything to her yet.

She and I first met a year ago at a community fall festival that was held in the public square a couple of days before Halloween. I was at the festival with a few of my close friends, and we were excitedly talking about our previous investigation of an abandoned historic house in the area. We weren't concerned if our conversation was overheard because we were at a fall festival that was celebrating Halloween. One of the people who overheard our conversation and came up to us to ask us questions about it was my Christian friend. She told us that she had had unusual and unexplainable things happen to her and her family in her home. She gave a few instances of what she and her family were experiencing in their home (flickering lights, lights turning off and on, objects being moved, the light fixtures swinging back and forth, but there are no air vents near them, doors opening and closing on their own, an odor of cigar smoke, but no one in her family or her friends smoke cigars, the shower and the sink faucet turning on when no one is in the bathroom, hearing footsteps in the attic, and hearing more than one person talking loudly in an empty room).

As she was explaining what had been going on in her home, every one of my friends was looking at me as she spoke. After she had finished explaining her situation, one of my friends told her that it sounded like she and her family were experiencing poltergeist activity in their home. Another friend turned to me and abruptly said, "That's right up your alley," and I gave her a "shut up" kind of look. I thought the cat was already out of the bag, so I answered yes when my Christian friend asked me if I could see and speak to ghosts. She believed me from the get-go and politely asked me if I would come to her home and see if there was a spirit there.

I agreed, and I went to her home a couple of days after Halloween. As it turns out, there were three spirits in her home: the spirits of a man, his wife, and their child. The house was once theirs, and they were upset about the recent renovations that had occurred in their home. They had no qualms about letting the new owners, my friend and her family, know that they were upset about the remodeling and about all the other changes that had been made in the house and in the yard. I listened to these spirits complain for a few minutes, and then, after they got it all off their chest, they calmed down enough for me to talk to them. I told them that the new family didn't know that they were there, so the new family didn't intentionally try to upset them and drive them out. I then asked them if they would like to crossover or find a reasonable solution to their complaints that both they and the new family could "live" with. I thought it was very fortunate for my friend and her family that these spirits agreed to leave the house by crossing over because they were too upset to agree to any compromise with the living family.

Now you know what my uncomfortable dilemma is and the story behind my friendship with my Christian friend. What do you think I should do? Should I go ahead and help her with the séance or should I back out? For the record, I have participated in a séance before, but I never agreed to participate in one where the other people were using a Ouija board. I've explained my previous objections to using a spirit board as a way to contact spirits in a couple of other threads (read here).
 

Secret Chief

Degrow!
The reason why I am posting this thread is to ask for the advice of non-Christians about an uncomfortable dilemma that I have found myself in and I'm not quite sure how to handle it. I decided to direct my thread solely to non-Christians because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective at this time. If you are not a Christian, feel free to comment on both my opening post and any subsequent ones. I don't know if you personally believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but my thread isn't the place to discuss it or debate it with me or with anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living, and instead focus on the uncomfortable situation that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post.

Please take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

I'm a Wiccan and a polytheist, and my good friend is an ardent Christian. She is aware that I am no longer a Christian and, although she is concerned by my deconversion, she has never pressed the issue until now. She has put me in an awkward predicament since she wants to ask God for protection at the séance I've agreed to help her with the night after Halloween. She originally intended to hold the séance on Halloween night, but she changed her mind after I told her I didn't think that was a good idea. I told her that Halloween is a difficult day for me, and it's hard enough for me to keep the spirits in check without purposely inviting them to come speak to me in a séance. She knows that I am no longer a Christian and she knows that discussing the subject often upsets me or makes me feel very uncomfortable. However, she did give me her word that she wouldn't inform the other guests that I'm a psychic medium either before or after they arrived at the séance. I won't say anything to the other guests either, because I prefer to let other people figure it out on their own, or they're left to wonder if they're rude and obnoxious towards me once they figure it out or someone else tells them.

My dilemma is, do I go ahead with the séance or do I back out since she is pressing the issue of praying to God for protection even though she knows that doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable? I haven't said anything to her yet.

She and I first met a year ago at a community fall festival that was held in the public square a couple of days before Halloween. I was at the festival with a few of my close friends, and we were excitedly talking about our previous investigation of an abandoned historic house in the area. We weren't concerned if our conversation was overheard because we were at a fall festival that was celebrating Halloween. One of the people who overheard our conversation and came up to us to ask us questions about it was my Christian friend. She told us that she had had unusual and unexplainable things happen to her and her family in her home. She gave a few instances of what she and her family were experiencing in their home (flickering lights, lights turning off and on, objects being moved, the light fixtures swinging back and forth, but there are no air vents near them, doors opening and closing on their own, an odor of cigar smoke, but no one in her family or her friends smoke cigars, the shower and the sink faucet turning on when no one is in the bathroom, hearing footsteps in the attic, and hearing more than one person talking loudly in an empty room).

As she was explaining what had been going on in her home, every one of my friends was looking at me as she spoke. After she had finished explaining her situation, one of my friends told her that it sounded like she and her family were experiencing poltergeist activity in their home. Another friend turned to me and abruptly said, "That's right up your alley," and I gave her a "shut up" kind of look. I thought the cat was already out of the bag, so I answered yes when my Christian friend asked me if I could see and speak to ghosts. She believed me from the get-go and politely asked me if I would come to her home and see if there was a spirit there.

I agreed, and I went to her home a couple of days after Halloween. As it turns out, there were three spirits in her home: the spirits of a man, his wife, and their child. The house was once theirs, and they were upset about the recent renovations that had occurred in their home. They had no qualms about letting the new owners, my friend and her family, know that they were upset about the remodeling and about all the other changes that had been made in the house and in the yard. I listened to these spirits complain for a few minutes, and then, after they got it all off their chest, they calmed down enough for me to talk to them. I told them that the new family didn't know that they were there, so the new family didn't intentionally try to upset them and drive them out. I then asked them if they would like to crossover or find a reasonable solution to their complaints that both they and the new family could "live" with. I thought it was very fortunate for my friend and her family that these spirits agreed to leave the house by crossing over because they were too upset to agree to any compromise with the living family.

Now you know what my uncomfortable dilemma is and the story behind my friendship with my Christian friend. What do you think I should do? Should I go ahead and help her with the séance or should I back out? For the record, I have participated in a séance before, but I never agreed to participate in one where the other people were using a Ouija board. I've explained my previous objections to using a spirit board as a way to contact spirits in a couple of other threads (read here).
If it would be significantly upsetting for you, I think you should back out, unless the two of you can come up with a compromise acceptable to you both.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
So the problem is that she's asking for God to help with a seance? That right?

The problem I have is that she wants to pray and ask God for protection during the séance. I mentioned in my OP that she knows that I'm no longer a Christian and that discussing the subject often upsets me or makes me feel uncomfortable. She's pressing the issue of praying to God during the séance, but she hasn't ever pressed the issue of praying or talking about God or my former faith before.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
These are what I focus on especially the highlighted part:

I told her that Halloween is a difficult day for me, and it's hard enough for me to keep the spirits in check without purposely inviting them to come speak to me in a séance.

doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable

I've explained my previous objections to using a spirit board as a way to contact spirits in a couple of other threads

What I hear is that you are really uncomfortable in putting yourself in that situation and you consider it risky. If I were you, I would totally listen to your feelings here and not do it.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
The problem I have is that she wants to pray and ask God for protection during the séance. I mentioned in my OP that she knows that I'm no longer a Christian and that discussing the subject often upsets me or makes me feel uncomfortable. She's pressing the issue of praying to God during the séance, but she hasn't ever pressed the issue of praying or talking about God or my former faith before.
Ok. I think the posters above have got it right. You shouldn't be expected to do something you aren't comfortable with.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
If it would be significantly upsetting for you, I think you should back out, unless the two of you can come up with a compromise acceptable to you both.

I haven't said anything to her yet. I wasn't sure what to say to her or whether I should go through with the séance or not.

Hence, this thread.
 
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Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
These are what I focus on especially the highlighted part:

What I hear is that you are really uncomfortable in putting yourself in that situation and you consider it risky. If I were you, I would totally listen to your feelings here and not do it.

She practically pleaded with me to help her, so I reluctantly agreed. She calls and tells me about the articles she's read about this haunting or that haunting and when we're out somewhere together, she's always asking me about the spirits I see around us.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Well, isn't then the "Christian god" just another god to you? Why do you mind it but not the other gods?

If you've read any of my previous posts about my former faith, you will see that I have some personal issues with the Christian God.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
I told my husband what happened and he said that she wasn't being honest with me and she tricked me into helping her.

Refuse the drama and communicate clearly with her. It might be uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as you'll be if you go along with it.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Do what you think is right, if you are not comfortable with the situation than don't get involved.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
My dilemma is, do I go ahead with the séance or do I back out since she is pressing the issue of praying to God for protection even though she knows that doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable? I haven't said anything to her yet.

I gave her my word before she told me that she wants to pray to God for protection during the séance.

I agree with the majority.

I think that by making that promise, you've done the equivalent of signing a contract with no quid pro quo - a promise with nothing in return. As I understand the law, such agreements are unenforceable. I don't know if you consider that relevant here or not.

Do you feel that you can you tell her that you changed your mind, perhaps at the urging of the spirits, or do you feel that that's no longer an option for you?

Here's my suggestion: If you feel like you must let her pray during your seance, ask her to do it from her home. If you have promised to let her be there, have her go into another room, close the door, and pray silently. If you feel like you have committed to allowing her to pray visibly during your seance, you're stuck between giving her what she wants or welching on your promise. Under no circumstances should she be allowed to disrupt the proceedings, and her very presence visibly praying there does that.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
I wouldn't do it. If I was you id explain i changed my mind. I don't do things im uncomfortable with unless I have a good reason to.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The reason why I am posting this thread is to ask for the advice of non-Christians about an uncomfortable dilemma that I have found myself in and I'm not quite sure how to handle it. I decided to direct my thread solely to non-Christians because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective at this time. If you are not a Christian, feel free to comment on both my opening post and any subsequent ones. I don't know if you personally believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but my thread isn't the place to discuss it or debate it with me or with anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living, and instead focus on the uncomfortable situation that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post.

Please take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

I'm a Wiccan and a polytheist, and my good friend is an ardent Christian. She is aware that I am no longer a Christian and, although she is concerned by my deconversion, she has never pressed the issue until now. She has put me in an awkward predicament since she wants to ask God for protection at the séance I've agreed to help her with the night after Halloween. She originally intended to hold the séance on Halloween night, but she changed her mind after I told her I didn't think that was a good idea. I told her that Halloween is a difficult day for me, and it's hard enough for me to keep the spirits in check without purposely inviting them to come speak to me in a séance. She knows that I am no longer a Christian and she knows that discussing the subject often upsets me or makes me feel very uncomfortable. However, she did give me her word that she wouldn't inform the other guests that I'm a psychic medium either before or after they arrived at the séance. I won't say anything to the other guests either, because I prefer to let other people figure it out on their own, or they're left to wonder if they're rude and obnoxious towards me once they figure it out or someone else tells them.

My dilemma is, do I go ahead with the séance or do I back out since she is pressing the issue of praying to God for protection even though she knows that doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable? I haven't said anything to her yet.

She and I first met a year ago at a community fall festival that was held in the public square a couple of days before Halloween. I was at the festival with a few of my close friends, and we were excitedly talking about our previous investigation of an abandoned historic house in the area. We weren't concerned if our conversation was overheard because we were at a fall festival that was celebrating Halloween. One of the people who overheard our conversation and came up to us to ask us questions about it was my Christian friend. She told us that she had had unusual and unexplainable things happen to her and her family in her home. She gave a few instances of what she and her family were experiencing in their home (flickering lights, lights turning off and on, objects being moved, the light fixtures swinging back and forth, but there are no air vents near them, doors opening and closing on their own, an odor of cigar smoke, but no one in her family or her friends smoke cigars, the shower and the sink faucet turning on when no one is in the bathroom, hearing footsteps in the attic, and hearing more than one person talking loudly in an empty room).

As she was explaining what had been going on in her home, every one of my friends was looking at me as she spoke. After she had finished explaining her situation, one of my friends told her that it sounded like she and her family were experiencing poltergeist activity in their home. Another friend turned to me and abruptly said, "That's right up your alley," and I gave her a "shut up" kind of look. I thought the cat was already out of the bag, so I answered yes when my Christian friend asked me if I could see and speak to ghosts. She believed me from the get-go and politely asked me if I would come to her home and see if there was a spirit there.

I agreed, and I went to her home a couple of days after Halloween. As it turns out, there were three spirits in her home: the spirits of a man, his wife, and their child. The house was once theirs, and they were upset about the recent renovations that had occurred in their home. They had no qualms about letting the new owners, my friend and her family, know that they were upset about the remodeling and about all the other changes that had been made in the house and in the yard. I listened to these spirits complain for a few minutes, and then, after they got it all off their chest, they calmed down enough for me to talk to them. I told them that the new family didn't know that they were there, so the new family didn't intentionally try to upset them and drive them out. I then asked them if they would like to crossover or find a reasonable solution to their complaints that both they and the new family could "live" with. I thought it was very fortunate for my friend and her family that these spirits agreed to leave the house by crossing over because they were too upset to agree to any compromise with the living family.

Now you know what my uncomfortable dilemma is and the story behind my friendship with my Christian friend. What do you think I should do? Should I go ahead and help her with the séance or should I back out? For the record, I have participated in a séance before, but I never agreed to participate in one where the other people were using a Ouija board. I've explained my previous objections to using a spirit board as a way to contact spirits in a couple of other threads (read here).

Personally, I would step back. It seems to be far more trouble than it's worth. I wouldn't be against lying in this case either, like saying you're ill, or have other commitments. But I'm just a stranger on line, and not privy to the details or your relationship.
 
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