Non-Christians only: Seeking advise for helping a Christian friend

[Shaul]

Would a compromise of her praying separately by herself be acceptable to you both?

I am confused about one thing. If you both agree that the spirits you are contacting are persons, isn't the consent of them also needed/desirable for her to pray?

 

[rational experiences]

The idea of a human as a non Christian is a ruse.

As names don't change natural living mutuality. Experience is a choice as is pursuit of a humans subject topic.

So you live a natural life first. What condition don't you own first is reasoned. And that is whats natural large and surrounds the planet?

The heavens. Every state natural before you even own a human life.

Ritual is based on events of pre determined predicted forecasted conditions. Changes to the status the mass. Humans experiences.

Humans knew...humans experienced causes.

Teaching said don't seek it. As everything that existed formed gets recorded as image voice sound. Most Christians believe in the teaching don't....as the term why a human seeking isn't listening to a teaching only.

So not only does humans natural life be recorded. Spirits conjured in science conditions get recorded and human voice is re recorded as their forming image cools then disappears.

Is the warning you might not actually be conversing with a human family member.

Sometimes human wanting contact will keep doing it. So instead of it disappearing it remains unnaturally. Moves around as the atmosphere gets rid of it.

The warning of humans who studied paranormal causes. Is Machine relative.

Why humans can use machines built controlled by human thoughts in every phase to gain communication proving machines and humans caused it.

 

[F1fan]

The reason why I am posting this thread is to ask for the advice of non-Christians about an uncomfortable dilemma that I have found myself in and I'm not quite sure how to handle it. I decided to direct my thread solely to non-Christians because I'm not interested in a Christian perspective at this time. If you are not a Christian, feel free to comment on both my opening post and any subsequent ones. I don't know if you personally believe in the paranormal (a haunting of earthbound human spirits, a.k.a. ghosts, in a specific location) or not, but my thread isn't the place to discuss it or debate it with me or with anyone else. Therefore, I will ask that you please refrain from arguing against believing in the paranormal and believing that the spirits of the dead can haunt places or people and can speak with the living, and instead focus on the uncomfortable situation that I'm about to explain in the rest of my post.

Please take note that my thread is posted in a non-debate forum.

I'm a Wiccan and a polytheist, and my good friend is an ardent Christian. She is aware that I am no longer a Christian and, although she is concerned by my deconversion, she has never pressed the issue until now. She has put me in an awkward predicament since she wants to ask God for protection at the séance I've agreed to help her with the night after Halloween. She originally intended to hold the séance on Halloween night, but she changed her mind after I told her I didn't think that was a good idea. I told her that Halloween is a difficult day for me, and it's hard enough for me to keep the spirits in check without purposely inviting them to come speak to me in a séance. She knows that I am no longer a Christian and she knows that discussing the subject often upsets me or makes me feel very uncomfortable. However, she did give me her word that she wouldn't inform the other guests that I'm a psychic medium either before or after they arrived at the séance. I won't say anything to the other guests either, because I prefer to let other people figure it out on their own, or they're left to wonder if they're rude and obnoxious towards me once they figure it out or someone else tells them.

My dilemma is, do I go ahead with the séance or do I back out since she is pressing the issue of praying to God for protection even though she knows that doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable? I haven't said anything to her yet.

If I was in your shoes I'd go for it. To my mind you are an objective observer since you aren't making the same assumptions your friend is as she does a seance. It's a chance for you to see if anything happens. Everyone has to be an adult and manage their own beliefs and feelings. No can get hurt unless they open the door to be hurt. And if someone oens that door, then it's a life lesson they need to learn.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

What you write about her makes ME very nervous. Something is off here and I hope you take care of yourself and not be sucked into what's going on with her.

I know that something is off with her because I can sense it when I'm with her and her aura is off as well, which adds to my personal feelings that something is amiss with her. So, when I'm with her, I'm careful about what I say and I don't give her specific details when she asks me what spirits I see or what I think of an article she's read about a haunting somewhere. I don't know what's up with her.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Would a compromise of her praying separately by herself be acceptable to you both?

I don't think so at this time. She is firmly determined on praying prior to, during, and after the séance.

I am confused about one thing. If you both agree that the spirits you are contacting are persons, isn't the consent of them also needed/desirable for her to pray?

Yes, that is the respectful thing to do when conversing with spirits, and I'll mention that to her the next time I talk to her. However, I've already told her that spirits can be easily offended if they feel they're being disrespected and provoked to anger. I knew I had to warn her about disrespecting the spirits and provoking them in an effort to get a response after she told me that if we don't get a voluntary response from the spirits, then she wants to provoke them like she's seen paranormal investigators do on some paranormal shows.

 

[crossfire]

Alright, the theme here seems to be discomfort all around--with all of the humans and spirits involved. Perhaps the solution might be in helping everyone involved to overcome their individual hang-ups that are causing discomfort? Is there a way to make overcoming discomfort for all around a theme of your ritual/ceremony?

 

[rational experiences]

I don't think so at this time. She is firmly determined on praying prior to, during, and after the séance.



Yes, that is the respectful thing to do when conversing with spirits, and I'll mention that to her the next time I talk to her. However, I've already told her that spirits can be easily offended if they feel they're being disrespected and provoked to anger. I knew I had to warn her about disrespecting the spirits and provoking them in an effort to get a response after she told me that if we don't get a voluntary response from the spirits, then she wants to provoke them like she's seen paranormal investigators do on some paranormal shows.

Human biology only owns bio chemical emotive response.

Is recorded...yet when a human dies the actual spirituality is all that exists. As first life recordings living parent position...communicates removes the emotive records.

Why a true psychic informed you no human owns emotive behaviour after death.

Re recorded emerged spirits however not associated to life don't. You cannot control that emergence as the atmospheric mass does.

A human is DNA bio life feeling response and it's lived personal. If you don't like how she feels if you are aware. Then you don't. Pretty basic awareness advised.

If her awareness is challenged by how she feels. Then obviously awareness personal warns you that her living responses aren't beneficial. It's called owning a psychic warning.

As rational loving positive psychics don't own nor use that behaviour in the first instance.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I don't think so at this time. She is firmly determined on praying prior to, during, and after the séance.



Yes, that is the respectful thing to do when conversing with spirits, and I'll mention that to her the next time I talk to her. However, I've already told her that spirits can be easily offended if they feel they're being disrespected and provoked to anger. I knew I had to warn her about disrespecting the spirits and provoking them in an effort to get a response after she told me that if we don't get a voluntary response from the spirits, then she wants to provoke them like she's seen paranormal investigators do on some paranormal shows.

my advice: run, do not walk, away

 

[George-ananda]

My dilemma is, do I go ahead with the séance or do I back out since she is pressing the issue of praying to God for protection even though she knows that doing so will be upsetting to me and make me feel uncomfortable? I haven't said anything to her yet.

Well my thought is that 'praying to God' issue is your call but I would say for me I consider Christianity as part of the light side of the fence and if that person is comfortable with Christianity, I would support them were they're at. I look at all on the 'light' side as one team.

Now is that the only dilemma you are asking us to address. I know the spiritually wise say to stay completely away from the Ouija board.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Actually, I know quite a few Christians who are spiritualists and believe that earthbound spirits are real and can communicate and interact with the living either through a psychic medium like myself or through other ways that I described in my original post.

It strikes me as odd they want to consult a medium for things like that or dabble in the occult themselves.
However, if they are the "open minded" kind and want to go through with it with the help of someone they trust is an expert, I guess they should respect the wishes of the expert, and if they can't, maybe the whole thing is a bad idea?

May I ask what the reason for the seance is?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Alright, the theme here seems to be discomfort all around--with all of the humans and spirits involved. Perhaps the solution might be in helping everyone involved to overcome their individual hang-ups that are causing discomfort? Is there a way to make overcoming discomfort for all around a theme of your ritual/ceremony?

I don't know if there is a way for my friend and I to overcome our discomfort. I plan to talk to her later today.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Well my thought is that 'praying to God' issue is your call but I would say for me I consider Christianity as part of the light side of the fence and if that person is comfortable with Christianity, I would support them were they're at. I look at all on the 'light' side as one team.

Now is that the only dilemma you are asking us to address. I know the spiritually wise say to stay completely away from the Ouija board.

I'm familiar with some prayers of protection that are not Christian-based, but I never say them aloud or ask or insist that other people present join me in prayer. I'll usually say one of these prayers when I'm smudging my house to remove negative energy. As far as the spirit board goes, I'm wary of it because I know the potential it has as a powerful spiritual tool for contacting the dead. I told my friend that I don't need to use one to speak with the dead, but she would like to use hers. She bought her spirit board specifically for the séance. She offered to show it to me, but I declined because I like to enter a séance or any haunted location with a clear mind.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It strikes me as odd they want to consult a medium for things like that or dabble in the occult themselves.
However, if they are the "open minded" kind and want to go through with it with the help of someone they trust is an expert, I guess they should respect the wishes of the expert, and if they can't, maybe the whole thing is a bad idea?

May I ask what the reason for the seance is?

My friend had initially told me that she would follow my lead since I'm a psychic medium and I know what I'm doing, but she has been changing course lately and telling me that she read this or that site or article online about how to get in touch with the dead and how to invoke responses from the spirits. I told her that psychic mediums are different in their methods of contacting and communicating with spirits and that I have methods that are comfortable for me and other mediums have methods that are comfortable for them.

The reason she wants to have a séance is to try and contact her sister, who died suddenly and unexpectedly of a heart attack. She said that she was at her sister's house, and she thought she felt her sister's presence there. I offered to go with her to her sister's house to see if her sister's spirit was there and if I could help her sister cross over, but she told me that her brother-in-law would be against it because he doesn't believe in ghosts or in psychic mediums. I asked if he was a Christian, and she said no, he's an atheist.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I'm planning to call my friend tomorrow and arrange a time when we can meet in person. So, I thought I would inquire here in my thread if anyone has any suggestions on what I should say to her or any specific questions I should ask her. I'm open to suggestions.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

I'm planning to call my friend tomorrow and arrange a time when we can meet in person. So, I thought I would inquire here in my thread if anyone has any suggestions on what I should say to her or any specific questions I should ask her. I'm open to suggestions.

I'm not going to tell you what to do.
But good luck to both of you.

 

[syo]

she wants to ask God for protection at the séance I've agreed to help her with the night after Halloween

She wants a seance and she expects god to appear...

Tell her the god is deist. Nothing will happen.