Non Creationists who still use theism

[Desert Snake]

Define non-creationists or, perhaps better, non-creationism, so that I can better get a handle on what you are saying, apparently, about non-creationists trying get away from the theological stuff and exactly what you are referring to about non-creationists' "religion".

'religion' listed next to the description, like 'satanism', etc. etc.
This thread is a bit suppositional, then again, most arguments are.

 

[Desert Snake]

Between us let's just say conventional Creationism is just silly.

This is where you lost me, am I supposed to know what "conventional creationism" means? Do you mean YEC? Doesn't the RCC support evolution now?

 

[Sabour]

I think there is some confirmation bias going on here, (not with you, in general), because I don't think there is generally this 'rational' approach taking place in the arguments...

Just let me add this part to my answer

Dr Justin Barrett, a senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, claims that young people have a predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose.
He says that young children have faith even when they have not been taught about it by family or at school, and argues that even those raised alone on a desert island would come to believe in God.
"The preponderance of scientific evidence for the past 10 years or so has shown that a lot more seems to be built into the natural development of children's minds than we once thought, including a predisposition to see the natural world as designed and purposeful and that some kind of intelligent being is behind that purpose," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"If we threw a handful on an island and they raised themselves I think they would believe in God."

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I've noticed some non-creationists still use religious themes/characters in their "religion" ....doesn't make sense to me....if we're trying to get away from all the theological stuff, why use religious terms/deities/ideas??

What's the point??
Does it make sense to then also tell other religious people that their religions are false?

Ummm...to tell a story. Atheism sucks as a narrative structure.

 

[Desert Snake]

Ummm...to tell a story. Atheism sucks as a narrative structure.

O.k., but why use the SAME deities etc. lol?

 

[fantome profane]

Evolution is theistically neutral.

Yes, and to expand that thought,
Evolution is theistically neutral
Science is theistically neutral.
Creationism is not theistically neutral.
Creationism is not science.

 

[Ouroboros]

I've noticed some non-creationists still use religious themes/characters in their "religion" ....doesn't make sense to me....if we're trying to get away from all the theological stuff, why use religious terms/deities/ideas??

Non-creationist is not the same as non-theist or non-religious. You're mixing up the categories.

Someone who doesn't drive a car can still travel by vehicles of other kinds.

What's the point??
Does it make sense to then also tell other religious people that their religions are false?

I don't believe in creationism, but I see certain values and beneficial things in religion. But I look at religion from a completely different perspective than you. The reason it doesn't make sense to you is because you're only looking at it from one way.

 

[steeltoes]

Ummm...to tell a story. Atheism sucks as a narrative structure.

How so? I've read stories of discovery such as books about the Big Bang that read like a fast ride, real page turners that don't mention a word about any gods, just good science. Maybe you are close minded about stories that don't include any gods.

 

[Desert Snake]

I don't believe in creationism, but I see certain values and beneficial things in religion. But I look at religion from a completely different perspective than you. The reason it doesn't make sense to you is because you're only looking at it from one way.

I don't hate organized religion, just not an adherent.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

How so? I've read stories of discovery such as books about the Big Bang that read like a fast ride, real page turners that don't mention a word about any gods, just good science. Maybe you are close minded about stories that don't include any gods.

You must live a very exciting literary life.

 

[Desert Snake]

You must live a very exciting literary life.

I still don't know how you fit Xianity into your Gnosis beliefs, a thread would help, imo, sounds interesting.

 

[Sir Doom]

I've noticed some non-creationists still use religious themes/characters in their "religion" ....doesn't make sense to me....if we're trying to get away from all the theological stuff, why use religious terms/deities/ideas??

What's the point??
Does it make sense to then also tell other religious people that their religions are false?

I'm sure its been said, but for myself...

I am a theist because I believe there is a God.
I am not a creationist because I have no idea how the universe got here, but I expect that science will some day answer that question whether it was God or not.

 

[Desert Snake]

People who make a point of calling themselves Creationists are almost never not anti-evolutionists.

Doesn't the RCC support evolution now?

 

[LuisDantas]

Doesn't the RCC support evolution now?

I believe it has for a few years at least. Good for it!

 

[Ingledsva]

Just let me add this part to my answer

Dr Justin Barrett, a senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, claims that young people have a predisposition to believe in a supreme being because they assume that everything in the world was created with a purpose.
He says that young children have faith even when they have not been taught about it by family or at school, and argues that even those raised alone on a desert island would come to believe in God.
"The preponderance of scientific evidence for the past 10 years or so has shown that a lot more seems to be built into the natural development of children's minds than we once thought, including a predisposition to see the natural world as designed and purposeful and that some kind of intelligent being is behind that purpose," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"If we threw a handful on an island and they raised themselves I think they would believe in God."

The Doctor is biased.


He is a Christian that believes God made people and therefore we must be designed in such a way as to find belief in divinity naturally.


EDIT - found this quote -


"“Christian theology teaches that people were crafted by God to be in a loving relationship with him and other people,” “Why wouldn’t God, then, design us in such a way as to find belief in divinity quite natural?”


http://amyfound.blogspot.com/2007/03/religion-evolutionary-byproduct.html




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[steeltoes]

You must live a very exciting literary life.

I do, I'll read just about anything, I love fiction and non-fiction alike. You, on the other hand, appear to limit yourself.

 

[chinu]

And I know you are a cabbage, chinu.

So, why are you responding to a cabbage ? as very well you know that a cabbage can never See, Hear, Talk, Type etc.

hahahaha.....

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you talking about people who are religious but don't believe in creator deities?

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you talking about people who are religious but don't believe in creator deities?

Pretty much.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

So, why are you responding to a cabbage ? as very well you know that a cabbage can never See, Hear, Talk, Type etc.

hahahaha.....

"Cabbages look exactly like people. They walk like people, they talk like people, they eat like people, they sleep like people, they go to work like people, they see movies like people, they watch tv like people, they read books like people . . . they are the best copies of people you'll ever see. But they are not people, my son, they are most assuredly Cabbages.”

Though you seem more like the epitome of a Greyface.