Glasgowchick, thanks for taking the time to respond and the tone in which you presented it.
I never claimed that you said that the bible was clear. I was only clarifying terms like formally sufficient. I also don't deny that we can analyze and come to understand many things in the Bible. Lastly, (hope you reading this as well NetDoc) I acknowledge that one must be assisted by God to understand the things of God, including Scripture. But the question is not whether the Bible is perspicuous to unbelievers (it isnt), but whether its generally perspicuous to its target audience of faithful Christians. I submit that it is not, and that this is proved by your own experience, and by mine, and by that of countless millions of other Christians who all claim to believe only what the Bible says, but who believe that it says radically different things. If you submit to something to something outside the Bible (your elders) then that only proves my point that the Bible Alone is not sufficient enough to get you to understand and identify doctrine. I suppose my next question could be why you listen or submit to your elders? As Catholics we admit we do this because we believe God gave men the authority to interpret for the flock when the flock fails to respond to the Holy Spirit, or for whatever other reason like being stubborn, etc. We hold councils to settle doctrinal disputes and if needed the successor of Peter with stand and say "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, (talking about himself) that by my mouth (who's mouth? Why not OUR mouth?) the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe."(Acts 15:7)
This is how we settle differences glasgowchick. Look at Christianity for the past 500 years as proof of this interpretation chaos. Not only has non-catholic christians not been able to arrive at a unified version of Christianity to which they can all subscribe, but theyve spawned dozens of different versions of Christianity, and they havent been able to advance a step in resolving any of the myriad theological conflicts that have arisen from their conflicting interpretations of Scripture. I think this casts considerable doubt on the truth of the original assertion that Bible Alone is a workable alternative to the Catholic system it attempted to replace.
Let me know your thoughts.
The least in Christ
~Victor