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Non-Muslim views about Muhammad
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JRMcC
Active Member
No, I just thought I'd share these quotes with everyone here.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Thanks a lot for sharing. That was truly refreshing.
I would also like to share with other a book written by an agnostic Jew about the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. The book is called "The First Muslim:. Although I don't agree with the title, I heard it was so good it leave so little things out for imagination.
The author of the book is Lesley Hazleton
These are good quotes, but may I draw attention the age of a good number of them? The Islam they are speaking of is a completely different beast from the Wahhabi and other such bull**** sects today. These men & women were speaking of the Ottoman Empire and its Islam. The enlightened, pro-education, equality-driven(for its time) Islam that has sadly been supplanted in large areas by those proud of their ignorance & intolerance.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
To be fair there are prominent modern apologists for Islam that are very good at white-washing the seamy underbelly of Islam to give it the appearance of being peace, love and beards.
More to the point, why would I give a rat's hindquarters to what several of these people thought? Really.
Those articles were written before the jet age and telecommunications, the AK-47, RPGs, plastic explosives, and
war on tribes and sects is now oh so much easier to do.
I think that Muhammad is a misunderstood historical figure. His life and lessons were part and parcel of the time period he was living in, and the turmoil that was happening around him, as he began to gain more interest from outsiders to the religion of Islam. Having said that, I don't agree with his notions of how women should be treated, and disguising that as some sort of mantra coming from 'God.' Nor do i agree with Sharia law, and other ideas that he had. But, as far as the person himself, he seems to be widely misunderstood.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Mohammad did not say anything. It is Allah who said it. Mohammad was unlettered. Could an unlettered man write something as exquisite as Qur'an not even a verse of which has ever been equaled? And the message to Mohammad was the last. Time cannot change it, whether it is about women or about non-believers. A raped woman must provide four male Muslim witnesses otherwise it is adultry and the punishment is death by stoning. That is Allah's law.
Ahadith are not acceptable, only Qur'an is.
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the700clowns
Member
this is a misrepresentation of islam!
the four witnesses needed are to prove a woman charged of adultery, if someone charge a woman of adultery, that someone must provide four witnesses. its not about rape.
[024:004] And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Thanks, the700clowns. And how does a woman prove that she was raped? We had a few cases like that in India where the father-in-law raped his daughter-in-law. The learned opined that the woman should be considered the wife of the father-in-law and her husband should accept her as his mother.
The leading Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband also issued a fatwa or opinion, which quotes from Quran 4:23: wa la tankihoo ma nakaha aaba-o-kum, “And marry not women whom your fathers married”
"However, the court took a different view based on evidence presented in the trial. On October 2006, Mohammed Ali was condemned to a prison term of ten years for raping Imrana. At one point the defense lawyer sought a leniency based on age of the defendant, but this was denied. The judge also directed Mohammed Ali to pay compensation of Rs 8,000 to Imrana for raping her. On the separate charge of criminal intimidation, Mohammed Ali was sentenced to three years in prison and fined in Rs 3,000.
Imrana rape case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The leading Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband also issued a fatwa or opinion, which quotes from Quran 4:23: wa la tankihoo ma nakaha aaba-o-kum, “And marry not women whom your fathers married”
"However, the court took a different view based on evidence presented in the trial. On October 2006, Mohammed Ali was condemned to a prison term of ten years for raping Imrana. At one point the defense lawyer sought a leniency based on age of the defendant, but this was denied. The judge also directed Mohammed Ali to pay compensation of Rs 8,000 to Imrana for raping her. On the separate charge of criminal intimidation, Mohammed Ali was sentenced to three years in prison and fined in Rs 3,000.
Imrana rape case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When comparing how 1.5 billion or so Muslims live to the perhaps 10's of thousands of terrorists and evil people, I'm reminded of a Shakespeare quote that I think applies to the Quran as well as the Bible:
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”
I don't need to agree with Islamic theology to respect those who believe in it, live in peace and respect others who follow other paths.
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”
I don't need to agree with Islamic theology to respect those who believe in it, live in peace and respect others who follow other paths.
the700clowns
Member
the woman in india that you mentioned was not married to the father in-law, she was raped. so it's wrong to say that that woman was his (the son and husband of the woman) father's wife.
islam accepts forensic evidence, if the father in-law is proven to have raped his daughter in-law, then he should be put to death, if they were proven to have had sex but cannot be proven as rape, then both of them must be punished.
Juhurka
Member
To me Muhamad was a war lord and phycopath, his only good trait was a good listener, how else would and iliterate man copy all those jewish stories he herd from Jews living around him. Everything else that is claimed about him or attributed to him was written by men who never met him or came long after his death.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
There is 2 sides to a coin.
Now read the other side.
Imrana case: Rape by Media
There is an old saying..."no news is good news"...now without any news how will the media survive.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Firstly this ia a verse in Noble Quraan on 4 witnesses.
Verse 24:4
"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;"
The above verse actually protects the women folk and it has absolutely nothing to do with rape.The claim that rape victims require four witnesses to seek justice for their case is untrue and a lie.
What is acceptable to Islam.
The women has to give testimony to the rape and it has to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt that sex was non-consensual.Prosecution of rape in today’s Islamic courts would involve circumstantial evidence, medical reports, and expert testimony.The punishment under Sharia law would be the death penalty.There would be no blame on the victim, as long as rape is reasonably proven, and minimal evidence is sufficient to clear a woman’s name.