Nonpartisan CBO on the Consequences of Repealing Obamacare

[Valjean]

Obamacare blew up the old system.

People survived.

Trump will blow up Obamacare.

People will survive.

Next countdown to detonation commences....

Obamacare is a group of minor insurance reforms. It didn't blow up anything. The business model and insurance system remains.

I don't think the incoming administration and Congress are going to hang millions of people out to dry. Something will be in place so that current coverage will continue, and no one will be denied because of a pre-existing condition. It would be political suicide to screw over millions of people and have them start dropping like flies. Instead of speculation and having knee jerk reactions, let's just wait and see. If Trump and Congress turn out to be the antichrist, I'll lead the revolutionary charge to D.C.

Millions of people were left "hanging out to dry" for decades. Reforms were proposed, but nothing happened.
The medical, pharmaceutical and insurance industries managed to sweep the issues under the rug. I think they're perfectly capable of doing it again. Millions of people may end up screwed, but, as before, if the flies have no voice or political clout, they won't be heard.
Republicans have had eight years to come up with an alternative, and they have nothing. Had they applied themselves as assiduously to an alternative system as they did to attacking the ACA, we might have something now.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

There you go then. The ongoing liberal concern on overpopulation......

Get the "bad" guy to do the "dirty deed done dirt cheap". You won't regret it.

Bipartisan support.

What?

 

[Neo Deist]

Obamacare is a group of minor insurance reforms. It didn't blow up anything. The business model and insurance system remains.
Millions of people were left "hanging out to dry" for decades. Reforms were proposed, but nothing happened.
The medical, pharmaceutical and insurance industries managed to sweep the issues under the rug. I think, they're perfectly capable of doing it again. Millions of people may end up screwed, but, as before, if the flies have no voice or political clout, they won't be heard.
Republicans have had eight years to come up with an alternative, and they have nothing. Had they applied themselves as assiduously to an alternative system as they did to attacking the ACA, we might have something now.

The first step to solving a national problem is to stop pointing fingers at the other side, and stop playing the blame game.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Independent studies have shown that many (40,000 per year est.) won't.

Well you got a numerical figure. We will dock it for now.

Let's just see where the independent studies will go, and determine if this is just another blown up figure or not for its imv, intended news and shock value.

 

[Valjean]

Here's my issue with the current process.

There's no transparency. This is forcing myself and others on the mere premise of hope.

There should be more transparency here for criticism and acceptance of any new plans.

You're optimistic which in fairness, we should all be, but seriously... Leaders have to be transparent in their leadership to build confidence. I'm not arguing that Trump's team cannot make a better plan, either. They mostly likely can, but this is not a proper process of repeal then update without knowing what to change with.

If you want transparency, go with government. Government agencies have open books and are open to public inquiry and input. They're not for profit, they don't compete, they don't usually have secrets.
Corporations, on the other hand, are secretive, and their prime directive is profit, not public service.

 

[Revoltingest]

The ACA will not be totally repealed. It will be replaced with another plan and/or revised.

And of course, without knowing that plan, no one can predict the effects.

 

[metis]

Well you got a numerical figure. We will dock it for now.

Let's just see where the independent studies will go, and determine if this is just another blown up figure or not for its imv, intended news and shock value.

The figure was from the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation and a Harvard University study.

 

[suncowiam]

If you want transparency, go with government. Government agencies have open books and are open to public inquiry and input. They're not for profit, they don't compete, they don't usually have secrets.
Corporations, on the other hand, are secretive, and their prime directive is profit, not public service.

My choice of words might be misleading or wrong, here.

What you're suggesting is after the fact. I simply like to know what the plan is before we actually do anything.

 

[Valjean]

The first step to solving a national problem is to stop pointing fingers at the other side, and stop playing the blame game.

Isn't understanding the real cause of a problem important, if we're going to effect reforms? If the policies of the other side are the cause, why should we not point fingers?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Millions of innocent people will suffer, and millions of ignorant people will ignore that suffering as they serve as enthusiastic conduits of GOP spin.

It will be interesting to watch that subset of Trump voters with pre-existing conditions.

 

[suncowiam]

Well you got a numerical figure. We will dock it for now.

Let's just see where the independent studies will go, and determine if this is just another blown up figure or not for its imv, intended news and shock value.

Metis is giving you some independent numbers which is more objective than your opinions. If you don't want to accept it, that's your prerogative but in an argument, I would say he's fairly arguing his case.

People will survive but it begs the question about their quality of life, and how they will survive?

 

[sun rise]

I don't think the incoming administration and Congress are going to hang millions of people out to dry. Something will be in place so that current coverage will continue, and no one will be denied because of a pre-existing condition. It would be political suicide to screw over millions of people and have them start dropping like flies. Instead of speculation and having knee jerk reactions, let's just wait and see. If Trump and Congress turn out to be the antichrist, I'll lead the revolutionary charge to D.C.

I look forward to being in that revolutionary charge because I think they are running down that path

 

[sun rise]

Millions of innocent people will suffer, and millions of ignorant people will ignore that suffering as they serve as enthusiastic conduits of GOP spin.

It will be interesting to watch that subset of Trump voters with pre-existing conditions.

They'll blame Obama for the actions of Trump and congress.

 

[sun rise]

The first step to solving a national problem is to stop pointing fingers at the other side, and stop playing the blame game.

Tell the *%(#() republicans to stop. They're the ones being orcs on "Mordor on the Potomac" They've spent the past 8 years acting like 2 year old crybabies having temper tantrum after temper tantrum and they're not stopping now. They are killing ethics by allowing corrupt losers in donny's cabinet, ignoring facts in favor of ideology just like dictators have done, doing their best to destroy clean energy by outlawing it and so forth. As far as I'm concerned the answer is #RESIST, #RESIST and #RESIST some more. They've sown the wind and deserve to reap the whirlwind.

 

[Neo Deist]

Tell the *%(#() republicans to stop. They're the ones being orcs on "Mordor on the Potomac" They've spent the past 8 years acting like 2 year old crybabies having temper tantrum after temper tantrum and they're not stopping now. They are killing ethics by allowing corrupt losers in donny's cabinet, ignoring facts in favor of ideology just like dictators have done, doing their best to destroy clean energy by outlawing it and so forth. As far as I'm concerned the answer is #RESIST, #RESIST and #RESIST some more. They've sown the wind and deserve to reap the whirlwind.

The door swings both ways.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Metis is giving you some independent numbers which is more objective than your opinions. If you don't want to accept it, that's your prerogative but in an argument, I would say he's fairly arguing his case.

People will survive but it begs the question about their quality of life, and how they will survive?

Nothing compares to what people predict and the actuality that transpires after the fact.

It's telling one way or another.

 

[suncowiam]

Nothing compares to what people predict and the actuality that transpires after the fact.

It's telling one way or another.

At some point, we do rely on "experts" to guide us with our lives. Who you choose to be experts is up to you.

IMO, there is credibility for these organizations to be able to forecast fiscal events concerning public healthcare.

It doesn't guarantee it but confidence builds if more organizations that actually did the studies and work start coming to the same results.

 

[esmith]

What is that new plan? How will the transition affect the public? How will the new plan affect the public?

In the immortal words of Nancy Pelosi

 

[suncowiam]

In the immortal words of Nancy Pelosi

That's not logical. It's like I have to commit to something before understanding what it will be.

What was the bill she was referencing?

 

[LuisDantas]

It is fascinating, in a morbid, almost nihilistic way, to see the extents to which people will go not to face upfront the terrible responsibility that comes with existing in a planet with an ever-growing population whose individuals feel ever more entitled to "wealth".

On its most basic level, the discussion about universal health care is a discussion about how much of a duty people have towards each other. On one extreme, there is barbarism and reliance on personal wealth. On another, there is careless, non-sustainable social support.

Considering that it has recently been stated that eight people have more personal wealth together than everyone else of the planet (all of the over seven billion of them) and that five of those are Americans, it is hard to even hesitate in gauging where the USA might lie on that scale.