Nonpartisan CBO on the Consequences of Repealing Obamacare

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is fascinating, in a morbid, almost nihilistic way, to see the extents to which people will go not to face upfront the terrible responsibility that comes with existing in a planet with an ever-growing population whose individuals feel ever more entitled to "wealth".

^ And now, having set up the straw man, we get ...

On its most basic level, the discussion about universal health care is a discussion about how much of a duty people have towards each other. On one extreme, there is barbarism and reliance on personal wealth. On another, there is careless, non-sustainable social support.

I see an ever-growing population whose individuals feel ever more responsible for taking care of one another. I believe that MLK was prescient when he said:

“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”​

 

[LuisDantas]

Forgive me, @Jayhawker Soule , but I am not sure whether you disagree with what I said. Would you like to elaborate a bit?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Forgive me, @Jayhawker Soule , but I am not sure whether you disagree with what I said. Would you like to elaborate a bit?

I don't see "a planet with an ever-growing population whose individuals feel ever more entitled to 'wealth'" and/or committed to "careless, non-sustainable social support." Rather, I see a world where issues of social progress and human rights increasingly color the dialog. The setbacks we see around us represent nothing so much as a reaction to this inspired and constructive bending of the arc. I think despair is myopic.

 

[LuisDantas]

We will have to agree to disagree on that respect, then.

 

[esmith]

That's not logical. It's like I have to commit to something before understanding what it will be.

What was the bill she was referencing?

You really don't know? Guess you weren't paying attention. It was Obamacare.

 

[tytlyf]

The ACA will not be totally repealed. It will be replaced with another plan and/or revised.

Are you sure? I've been hearing republicans talking about repealing the ACA for 6 years? Why would they flip flop now?

 

[buddhist]

[Source]

Comments? Rants? Red herrings?

The ACA almost doubled the cost of my preferred plan in the course of two years, and then the plan itself was canceled by the insurer. I can only afford to carry catastrophic coverage now.

0bama's contract with America that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan" was a lie, and brought misery to me and my family.

 

[metis]

Are you sure? I've been hearing republicans talking about repealing the ACA for 6 years? Why would they flip flop now?

As Schumer said, this is the question of what happens if the dog actually catches up to the bus. Now they're in the hot seat, and suddenly their tune changed as they are now already singing soprano.

What they do they will own, and if it doesn't go well, ...

 

[suncowiam]

You really don't know? Guess you weren't paying attention. It was Obamacare.

It was a 9 second clip that does not state Obamacare.

I'm sure you have a point in this somewhere. Please do say so I don't read between the lines.

Thanks

 

[esmith]

It was a 9 second clip that does not state Obamacare.

I'm sure you have a point in this somewhere. Please do say so I don't read between the lines.

Thanks

If you have been following this forum since the inception of Obamacare you will have seen many references to Nancy's (sometimes modified statement). Just seems strange anyone that pays the slightest attention to news or comments on Obamacare would not be aware of that statement and what she was referring to. That's all nothing else

 

[suncowiam]

If you have been following this forum since the inception of Obamacare you will have seen many references to Nancy's (sometimes modified statement). Just seems strange anyone that pays the slightest attention to news or comments on Obamacare would not be aware of that statement and what she was referring to. That's all nothing else

I wasn't aware... I guess I fall into that tiny category of weirdness.

Do I agree with her logic? Nope, not one bit.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Pelosi's statement made my eyes water so bad.

It's really sad to see just how bad DC has gotton now and the sheer dereliction of duty towards the people whom they swore to represent.

I knew right then and there how shady and ill conceived and disastrous Obamacare was. Even at those early stages. No transparency, all closed door planning. If there was any real planning going on.

God help us if Republicans pull stunts like this in introducing a hopefully better healthcare system that people can appreciate and benefit from.

Fingers crossed.

Oh and get ready to get rid of earmarks. Our healthcare system doesn't need or want that blasted ****.

 

[metis]

I knew right then and there how shady and ill conceived and disastrous Obamacare was. Even at those early stages. No transparency, all closed door planning. If there was any real planning going on.

You are rewritting history as it was the Republicans who walked away from the table spouting dishonest lies about "death panels", a fabrication by Palin (who can also see Russia from her house). and that it was a government takeover of health-care, which is clearly is not as it works mostly through private insurance companies.

 

[Watchmen]

Are you sure? I've been hearing republicans talking about repealing the ACA for 6 years? Why would they flip flop now?

A lot has changed in 6 years and the people will not tolerate a complete repeal with no replacement.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A lot has changed in 6 years and the people will not tolerate a complete repeal with no replacement.

Why do people keep on thinking there won't be any replacement?

Of course Obamacare will still be around while it's being replaced through a transition process.

Nobody is going to instantaneously pull the plug as it were, and everyone suddenly drops dead the next minute as if on cue.

 

[Watchmen]

Why do people keep on thinking there won't be any replacement?

Of course Obamacare will still be around while it's being replaced through a transition process.

Nobody is going to instantaneously pull the plug as it were, and everyone suddenly drops dead the next minute as if on cue.

We agree.

 

[metis]

Why do people keep on thinking there won't be any replacement?

Probably because this is what Trump had repeatedly said he would do, and he said he would do it on day 1.

But since then we've learned that we can't take anything he has said as being truthful.

 

[Valjean]

Why do people keep on thinking there won't be any replacement?

Nobody is going to instantaneously pull the plug as it were, and everyone suddenly drops dead the next minute as if on cue.

On the other hand, the Republicans do have a worrisome tendency to cut off their noses to spite their faces. They didn't hesitate to shut down the government to force an agenda, for example.

I'm also suspicious of their agenda. Reassuring rhetoric aside, their underlying agenda seems to be a radical diminution of the scope of government. Save national defense and contract enforcement, they don't seem to see 'the general welfare' as a legitimate function of government.

Of course Obamacare will still be around while it's being replaced through a transition process.

There's no need to completely dismantle it. A little tactical defunding could bring it to a screeching halt even if it remains on the books and otherwise unchanged.