Not a sin anymore???

[Brian2]

The opening post assumes an actual God exists, and that it has an authority through the Bible that is something we mortals must obey. So it is fair to ask where this authority is in reality, yes?

If the opening post was only a person confused in their own beliefs and moral attitudes, then my question would be needed.

It's nice that you want to help someone like that.

 

[Truth in love]

You want Bronze Age justice from the Tanakh? Try Exodus 22:18.

Then stop sitting on your hands while all those witches out there are suffered to live!

To arms, Truth in love, to arms! Your God calls you to kill and kill and kill till there are no more witches!

Do you have an actual comment on the topic?

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm already going to hell - or so they tell me - for being a transsexual so being gay or bi is "whatever" to me. I've grown up around gays and lesbians so it's really just as normal to me as heterosexuality. You just like a person. I still love God and He loves me. It's between Him and I. The early Church welcomed the Ethiopian eunuch, after all.

I don't think you are going to hell for any of that, because you do not blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is detestation of the Light of God, but you love God. The detestation of the Light has no remedy and cannot be forgiven—that is to say, it is impossible for him to come near unto God.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

 

[F1fan]

I think it goes well beyond the sin of homosexuality, illegitimate sex outside of God’s design is rampant in the culture.

Do you think these rules you believe in apply to all humans?

On one hand, people that deny or ignore God and His instructions on this subject in the biblical scriptures can’t be expected to have any desire to pay attention to the Creator’s wisdom.

So Hindus are wrong, in your way of thinking?

The negative drawback is that once a civilization gets to a certain point in deviating from God’s design and order, it usually brings difficult consequences and/or is on the brink of collapse.

So perhaps protestants were wrong to deviate from the Catholic Church?

 

[questfortruth]

I see people

Sinners have a dead soul.

 

[questfortruth]

When did God change His mind on this being a sin?

Unholy Biden has said that it is OK.

 

[We Never Know]

As I just pointed out, the opening post is suggesting that the Bible has some sort of real authority over all mortals. Is sin limited only to believers? Can a gay atheist not sin?

I'm tolerant of anyone who wants to believe in ideas for their meaning, but as soon as a person assumes their personal and/or collective beliefs have authority over free individuals who reject those ideas, then a line has been crossed.

"the Bible has some sort of real authority over all mortals"

It does for those that have faith in it

If you have no faith in it, its just another Harry Potter novel. Why fret over it?

 

[Trailblazer]

It’s not the point, Did God change what is or is not a sin?

It might still be a sin, but it is a sin that can be forgiven (Matthew 12:31).

 

[QuestioningMind]

Cleary you missed the core concepts of the Bible. Also the point of the thread.

Clearly you don't care that it's just an old book written by a bunch of fallible humans making unsubstantiated claims. The point of my post was to state that it's silly to consider anything sinful until you this god being clearly states what IT considers to be a sin, and not what some fallible humans CLAIM this god being considers to be a sin.

 

[questfortruth]

from a Christian perspective because I'm not one

Not the one?

 

[F1fan]

"the Bible has some sort of real authority over all mortals"

It does for those that have faith in it

If you have no faith in it, its just another Harry Potter novel. Why fret over it?

That's just it, we don't. But we are curious why some believers think their beliefs and the Bible has an implied authority. This is why I am asking directly. Thanks for admitting the Bible and Christianity has no significance beyond believers. This means non-Christians aren't sinners.

 

[Trailblazer]

Now I’m not calling for violence or mistreatment of anyone, but I am challenging those preaching this “other gospel” When did God change His mind on this being a sin?

I do not believe that God ever changed His mind.

 

[Trailblazer]

There are lots of religions.

• IMO.. Either one is right and the rest are wrong or they all just have a piece of the puzzle, or they are all wrong.

I vote for they all just have a piece of the puzzle.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I never had sex as a "woman", personally. Only after I transitioned. I don't think I could've stomached having sex and being viewed as a woman. Even trying to have cybersex as that failed pretty badly and was extremely uncomfortable in a gross way.

Yeah, I discovered things that can happen during sex that are good for no one involved, probably worse for her than me because I knew what was going on and spared the inordinate self consciousness, self doubts, blow to image amd self esteem, that sort of thing when arousal is suddenly lost mid-coitus.

 

[questfortruth]

This means non-Christians aren't sinners.

What is Bible view on this? What book does say that non-Christians are holy men? No such books. The books say that Bob is holy man but do not say that he is holy man because he is non-Christian. Books just say that Bob is wise, holy man. No addition about Christianity.

 

[Trailblazer]

The New Testament has a vastly different God than the Old Testament.

It is also newer so I believe the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament.
(That's Baha'i speak. )

 

[questfortruth]

It does for those that have faith in it

Faith is staying true to Knowledge.

 

[We Never Know]

That's just it, we don't. But we are curious why some believers think their beliefs and the Bible has an implied authority. This is why I am asking directly. Thanks for admitting the Bible and Christianity has no significance beyond believers. This means non-Christians aren't sinners.

Being curious doesn't involve criticism.

 

[F1fan]

Being curious doesn't involve criticism.

Then Christians should not be critical of non-Christians since the rules Christians believe in only apply to them, yes?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And in J.K. Rowling novel, Harry was a sorcerer. A book doesn't make it true.
If it did,, well then there is the bible

Why didn't you at least look into the novel to see what it is before making such a bad comparison?
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