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Not saying they are stupid... but its close :D

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I'd love to see the cases where people with antibodies are spreading covid to the extreme extent that it's purported to be.

Where's the actual scientific data on this that warrants mass masking for vaccinated and naturally immune people ?

I haven't found anything in terms of any actual people here. Just the hyperbole.

So your frame of reference relates to whether masked people pass the virus on?
There are other considerations than that, though I couldn't say which are being used in making decisions you may specifically refer to.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I'd love to see the cases where people with antibodies are spreading covid to the extreme extent that it's purported to be.

Where's the actual scientific data on this that warrants mass masking for vaccinated and naturally immune people ?

I haven't found anything in terms of any actual people here. Just the hyperbole.

The issue is that the honor system didn't work. We tried just telling people to mask if they hadn't been vaccinated, and lo and behold, unvaccinated people went unmasked and lied about their vaccination status, because they've never willingly warn one in the first place.

So now we have to go back to everyone wearing a mask. It's vastly simpler than demanding that everyone show a vaccine card (or show their lab work that they have antibodies) everywhere that they go.

If more people get vaccinated and don't lie about it, maybe we can get back to going without masks. It's up to the unvaccinated at this point.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Heh...

As previously mentioned, UFO just means unidentified flying object. Happens all the time.

Not knowing whether said objects are filled to the brim with little green men is kinda implicit in the name.
I know. I appreciated the “Umm, well actually” note of snark to your first response. I just meant the physicist in question believed in the little green martians flying UFOs
And to be fair, I mean who’s to say we won’t find “intelligent” life out in space in the future. Surely there’s a planet out there somewhere with it, eh?
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
What's stupid is required masks for people with antibodies.
No its not.

Even though you have antibodies in you, you can still carry the virus, same goes with those that have been vaccinated, the vaccination makes it more difficult to get it, but also you get much less sick should you catch it.

Also the reason you wear a mask is primarily to protect others and not so much yourself. Reason being that you can still be infected through the eyes etc.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No its not.

Even though you have antibodies in you, you can still carry the virus, same goes with those that have been vaccinated, the vaccination makes it more difficult to get it, but also you get much less sick should you catch it.

Also the reason you wear a mask is primarily to protect others and not so much yourself. Reason being that you can still be infected through the eyes etc.
Its dumb. Antibodies don't spread virus. It kills them. You can't spread what's already dead in your body.

Doctors are even saying that.

So where are the real world cases where a person with antibodies are spreading the virus? Can you find any?


Im betting you won't be able find a single actual reported case where this is actually happening and going on due to immune people with antibodies.

It's propaganda for the naive and gullible.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The issue is that the honor system didn't work. We tried just telling people to mask if they hadn't been vaccinated, and lo and behold, unvaccinated people went unmasked and lied about their vaccination status, because they've never willingly warn one in the first place.

So now we have to go back to everyone wearing a mask. It's vastly simpler than demanding that everyone show a vaccine card (or show their lab work that they have antibodies) everywhere that they go.

If more people get vaccinated and don't lie about it, maybe we can get back to going without masks. It's up to the unvaccinated at this point.
Vaccinated people have nothing to worry about if they have antibodies. It's really an issue for those without antibodies. That's the bottom line here, and I maintain its a personal decision to go vaccinated or natural means.
 

Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
So just read this news article and have to admit that it probably didn't surprise me :) but still I do think that it tells something about these people.

One of the writers of the sci-fi film I Am Legend has clarified its fictional nature amid rumours Covid-19 vaccines would turn people into zombies.

The 2007 film, starring Will Smith, is about a failed attempt to genetically re-engineer measles to cure cancer, killing 99% of the world's population.

Those who survive the infection turn into mutant vampiric creatures.

Claims that something similar would happen to people receiving Covid jabs have been circulating on social media.

Last week, the New York Times reported that the owner of an eyewear store in the Bronx, New York, was struggling to persuade some of its staff to get a Covid vaccine, with one citing the plot of I Am Legend as a concern.

"One employee said she was concerned because she thought a vaccine had caused the characters in the film I Am Legend to turn into zombies," the report said.


Responding to the article, Akiva Goldsman, 59, who co-wrote the screenplay based on a 1954 novel of the same name, tweeted: "Oh. My. God. It's a movie. I made that up. It's. Not. Real."


Seriously there is not a lot of hope for convincing these people then if they start referencing zombie movies as an excuse, just unbelievable :D

I think you could say they are stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Vaccinated people have nothing to worry about if they have antibodies. It's really an issue for those without antibodies. That's the bottom line here, and I maintain its a personal decision to go vaccinated or natural means.

But Vaccines aren't 100% effective. So if you're determined not to support public-health measures aimed at controlling the pandemic, maybe you should stay indoors. That would protect the responsible majority.
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member
Seriously there is not a lot of hope for convincing these people then if they start referencing zombie movies as an excuse, just unbelievable :D
Not saying they are stupid... but its close :D

That is smart "not saying they are stupid";)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
But Vaccines aren't 100% effective. So if you're determined not to support public-health measures aimed at controlling the pandemic, maybe you should stay indoors. That would protect the responsible majority.

I don't drink the fear kool-aid.

If it's a crappy vaccine then it's not really worth promoting the thing, isn't it?
 

Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
I don't drink the fear kool-aid.

If it's a crappy vaccine then it's not really worth promoting the thing, isn't it?

No vaccine is 100% effective. That doesn't make them "crappy", on the contrary, they are an important public health measure.
Sadly there will always be a narcissistic minority who are more concerned with their "rights" than with their responsibilities towards fellow citizens.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Its dumb. Antibodies don't spread virus. It kills them. You can't spread what's already dead in your body.

Doctors are even saying that.

So where are the real world cases where a person with antibodies are spreading the virus? Can you find any?


Im betting you won't be able find a single actual reported case where this is actually happening and going on due to immune people with antibodies.

It's propaganda for the naive and gullible.
This is from MIT medical answering questions from people:

My daughter’s family and my sister-in-law’s family have all survived the COVID-19 virus. They want to include my husband and me in a holiday gathering. My daughter says this is safe for us, because everyone else who will be there is immune. But what if one of them was exposed to an infected person before our get-together? Could they somehow carry the virus to us and make us sick?

We’ve been getting questions like this more and more often recently. The short answer is that people who have recovered from COVID-19 cannot spread the virus to others unless they become reinfected themselves. The bad news is that reinfection is possible.

From what we know of other viruses, most experts think it’s likely that most people who recover from COVID-19 have some level of immunity for some period of time. But we don’t know how much immunity they have or how long it lasts. A recent study of a different type of coronavirus, the common cold, found that people were often reinfected within 12 months.

When we first wrote about the possibility of COVID-19 reinfections two months ago, we reported four confirmed cases. Today, we know of at least 30, but this is almost certainly an underestimate. This is because a confirmed case of reinfection requires genetic proof that the virus was sufficiently different the second time. Genomic sequencing of this type requires viral samples from both PCR tests; it also requires time, money, and other resources that are often in short supply. As a result, the number of confirmed reinfections is far lower than the more than 2,000 suspected cases that have been reported to date.

And it’s likely that many other instances of possible reinfection go unreported or, worse, undetected. Immunologists usually expect a second infection with the same virus to be milder than the first. If that holds true for most reinfections with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, many reinfected individuals could remain asymptomatic and untested but very much capable of transmitting the virus to others.

Unfortunately, this means that your relatives’ previous COVID-19 infections do not make them safe holiday companions for you, or even for each other. Nor does pre-holiday testing guarantee a safe gathering.

This holiday season, there’s no safe way to get together with people outside of your own household or bubble. But while it can feel like we’re all stuck in a never-ending marshmallow experiment, vaccines offer light at the end of this very long tunnel. Postponing extended-family gatherings now makes it more likely that we’ll be able to gather for holiday celebrations next year — and for many years to come.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This is from MIT medical answering questions from people:

My daughter’s family and my sister-in-law’s family have all survived the COVID-19 virus. They want to include my husband and me in a holiday gathering. My daughter says this is safe for us, because everyone else who will be there is immune. But what if one of them was exposed to an infected person before our get-together? Could they somehow carry the virus to us and make us sick?

We’ve been getting questions like this more and more often recently. The short answer is that people who have recovered from COVID-19 cannot spread the virus to others unless they become reinfected themselves. The bad news is that reinfection is possible.

From what we know of other viruses, most experts think it’s likely that most people who recover from COVID-19 have some level of immunity for some period of time. But we don’t know how much immunity they have or how long it lasts. A recent study of a different type of coronavirus, the common cold, found that people were often reinfected within 12 months.

When we first wrote about the possibility of COVID-19 reinfections two months ago, we reported four confirmed cases. Today, we know of at least 30, but this is almost certainly an underestimate. This is because a confirmed case of reinfection requires genetic proof that the virus was sufficiently different the second time. Genomic sequencing of this type requires viral samples from both PCR tests; it also requires time, money, and other resources that are often in short supply. As a result, the number of confirmed reinfections is far lower than the more than 2,000 suspected cases that have been reported to date.

And it’s likely that many other instances of possible reinfection go unreported or, worse, undetected. Immunologists usually expect a second infection with the same virus to be milder than the first. If that holds true for most reinfections with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, many reinfected individuals could remain asymptomatic and untested but very much capable of transmitting the virus to others.

Unfortunately, this means that your relatives’ previous COVID-19 infections do not make them safe holiday companions for you, or even for each other. Nor does pre-holiday testing guarantee a safe gathering.

This holiday season, there’s no safe way to get together with people outside of your own household or bubble. But while it can feel like we’re all stuck in a never-ending marshmallow experiment, vaccines offer light at the end of this very long tunnel. Postponing extended-family gatherings now makes it more likely that we’ll be able to gather for holiday celebrations next year — and for many years to come.
You haven't answered the question.

Where is a real world case this actually has happened?

I didn't ask for 'what if' propaganda.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No vaccine is 100% effective. That doesn't make them "crappy", on the contrary, they are an important public health measure.
Sadly there will always be a narcissistic minority who are more concerned with their "rights" than with their responsibilities towards fellow citizens.

It's crappy to me if it dosent work very well.

It's pretty straightforward.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
You haven't answered the question.

Where is a real world case this actually has happened?

I didn't ask for 'what if' propaganda.
What difference does it make? If they know that people that have already been infected once, can get it again and carry the infection, then they can spread it to others, so not sure why that would be propaganda?

But anyway here is a story:

In late June, Sanne de Jong developed nausea, shortness of breath, sore muscles, and a runny nose. At first, she thought it might be lingering effects from her COVID-19 infection in the spring. De Jong, 22, had tested positive on 17 April and suffered mild symptoms for about 2 weeks. She tested negative on 2 May—just in time to say farewell to her dying grandmother—and returned to work as a nursing intern in a hospital in Rotterdam, the Netherlands.

But when her symptoms re-emerged, her doctor suggested she get tested again. “A reinfection this soon would be peculiar, but not impossible,” she told De Jong, who by then had again lost her sense of smell and had abdominal pains and diarrhea.

The call from her municipal health service came on 3 July. De Jong had tested positive again. “You’re kidding me!” she recalls saying.

Scientists are keenly interested in cases like hers, which are still rare but on the rise.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What difference does it make? If they know that people that have already been infected once, can get it again and carry the infection, then they can spread it to others, so not sure why that would be propaganda?

But anyway here is a story:

In late June, Sanne de Jong developed nausea, shortness of breath, sore muscles, and a runny nose. At first, she thought it might be lingering effects from her COVID-19 infection in the spring. De Jong, 22, had tested positive on 17 April and suffered mild symptoms for about 2 weeks. She tested negative on 2 May—just in time to say farewell to her dying grandmother—and returned to work as a nursing intern in a hospital in Rotterdam, the Netherlands.

But when her symptoms re-emerged, her doctor suggested she get tested again. “A reinfection this soon would be peculiar, but not impossible,” she told De Jong, who by then had again lost her sense of smell and had abdominal pains and diarrhea.

The call from her municipal health service came on 3 July. De Jong had tested positive again. “You’re kidding me!” she recalls saying.

Scientists are keenly interested in cases like hers, which are still rare but on the rise.

I'm not looking for a story, nor hyperbole.

I'm looking for an actual real life case or cases where this happened.
 
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