Not saying they are stupid... but its close :D

[Left Coast]

Vaccinated people have nothing to worry about if they have antibodies. It's really an issue for those without antibodies. That's the bottom line here, and I maintain its a personal decision to go vaccinated or natural means.

Of course it's a personal decision whether to be vaccinated or not. But that personal decision has consequences. The idea that you'd rather risk getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying (or getting other people around you seriously ill) rather than getting a shot is foolish and selfish. The idea that you refuse to even wear a mask not only to protect yourself but others is also foolish and selfish.

Moreover, you didn't reply to what I actually said at all.

 

[Nimos]

I'm not looking for a story, nor hyperbole.

I'm looking for an actual real life case or cases where this happened.

So when I reference a person telling that they got it twice, that is not good enough. Should someone show up at your house and tell you or what are you after, not really following you here?

 

[Wandering Monk]

The issue is that the honor system didn't work. We tried just telling people to mask if they hadn't been vaccinated, and lo and behold, unvaccinated people went unmasked and lied about their vaccination status, because they've never willingly warn one in the first place.

So now we have to go back to everyone wearing a mask. It's vastly simpler than demanding that everyone show a vaccine card (or show their lab work that they have antibodies) everywhere that they go.

If more people get vaccinated and don't lie about it, maybe we can get back to going without masks. It's up to the unvaccinated at this point.

For an honor system to work, people have to have honor.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I don't drink the fear kool-aid.

If it's a crappy vaccine then it's not really worth promoting the thing, isn't it?

Still very effective in preventing severe illness and death. I'll take that over having no protection at all against infection, severe illness and death. Why people refuse to do this simple mathematics is nuts.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Still very effective in preventing severe illness and death. I'll take that over having no protection at all against infection, severe illness and death. Why people refuse to do this simple mathematics is nuts.

If it's very effective, then the mask thing is overblown out of proportion.

Clearly we now live in a generation of upcoming hopeless neurotics.

 

[Valjean]

What's stupid is required masks for people with antibodies.

Why? Don't they reduce transmission?
When I park my van, I lock the doors, even though I've removed the key.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why? Don't they reduce transmission?
When I park my van, I lock the doors, even though I've removed the key.

Dead viruses in the body are not infective. That's the whole purpose of acquiring antibodies. There no point unless people like overkill.

 

[Valjean]

Dead viruses in the body are not infective. That's the whole purpose of acquiring antibodies. There no point unless people like overkill.

Huh?
The vaccines confer partial immunity, plus tend to reduce the virulence of the disease, if acquired.
Masks reduce transmission -- both ways.
Neither is 100% effective. If you have two different, effective modalities for reducing transmission and virulence, why not use both?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Huh?
The vaccines confer partial immunity, plus tend to reduce the virulence of the disease, if acquired.
Masks reduce transmission -- both ways.
Neither is 100% effective. If you have two different, effective modalities for reducing transmission and virulence, why not use both?

Partial immunity?

 

[Valjean]

Partial immunity?

Of course. Did you think they were 100% effective?
They confer partial immunity and they usually diminish the severity of the infection if acquired.

 

[Valjean]

Dead viruses in the body are not infective. That's the whole purpose of acquiring antibodies. There no point unless people like overkill.

Huh? Please explain.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Dead viruses in the body are not infective. That's the whole purpose of acquiring antibodies. There no point unless people like overkill.

You really should look into what an mRNA vaccine is and how it works.

What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work?: MedlinePlus Genetics
How Do COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work?
mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology | Nature Reviews Drug Discovery

 

[Twilight Hue]

Huh? Please explain.

Antibodies kill viruses. None are going to come out of your body and infect others because...

...it's dead.

 

[Valjean]

Antibodies kill viruses. None are going to come out of your body and infect others because...

...it's dead.

The antibodies kill some viruses -- they can't reach them all -- Plus, effectiveness against a particular infectious strain varies.

Infected people begin shedding viruses a day or two before symptoms appear -- they're asymptomatic but still infectious.
Symptoms are often mild or non-existent, particularly in vaccinated patients. These asymptomatic yet still infected patients are shedding virus, and with the delta strain, they're shedding a lot of viruses. The viral load of Delta variant is 1260 times the original COVID-19 strain

Think of an infected person as exhaling smoke with each breath. That's what it would look like if you could see the viruses.
Per the above linked article, a Δ-infected person, walking down the cereal aisle of Walmart, is expelling as much virus as a mob of 1200 with the original strain; filling the whole store with clouds of viral particles.

A mask will filter out some of these outgoing, thinning the cloud. A mask on an uninfected person will filter some more of the incoming -- reducing the chance of infection.
Vaccination reduces transmission/symptoms still furthe.

I still wear a seatbelt, even though my van has airbags.Two prophylaxes are better than one.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The antibodies kill some viruses -- they can't reach them all -- Plus, effectiveness against a particular infectious strain varies.

Infected people begin shedding viruses a day or two before symptoms appear -- they're asymptomatic but still infectious.
Symptoms are often mild or non-existent, particularly in vaccinated patients. These asymptomatic yet still infected patients are shedding virus, and with the delta strain, they're shedding a lot of viruses. The viral load of Delta variant is 1260 times the original COVID-19 strain

Think of an infected person as exhaling smoke with each breath. That's what it would look like if you could see the viruses.
Per the above linked article, a Δ-infected person, walking down the cereal aisle of Walmart, is expelling as much virus as a mob of 1200 with the original strain; filling the whole store with clouds of viral particles.

A mask will filter out some of these outgoing, thinning the cloud. A mask on an uninfected person will filter some more of the incoming -- reducing the chance of infection.
Vaccination reduces transmission/symptoms still furthe.

I still wear a seatbelt, even though my van has airbags.Two prophylaxes are better than one.

Then it's not true immunity.

It just means that your resistant then.

 

[Valjean]

Then it's not true immunity.

It just means that your resistant then.

Well, yeah.... Whoever said the vaccine rendered you immune????

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, yeah.... Whoever said the vaccine rendered you immune????

Well the term herd immunity is well documented.

 

[Valjean]

Well the term herd immunity is well documented.

OK.... Your point?
A term doesn't necessarily describe it's referent accurately. It's best to understand the referent proper, before drawing conclusions or commenting.