O Muslims, why do not you eat pork ?

[leibowde84]

The answer is very simple:

because Allah forbids it

Is there any explanation as to why it is forbidden in the Muslim Faith? I feel like it is unreasonable for any prophet/holy book to make a rule such as this without providing the reasoning behind it. I, for one, would be like, "the beef salesman probably threw that in there to help his own business", unless I was convinced that God had a good reason.

 

[psychoslice]

Continue to write these stuffs and u will earn urself Like coins!

I'll try my hardest lol.

 

[DawudTalut]

Is there any explanation as to why it is forbidden in the Muslim Faith? I feel like it is unreasonable for any prophet/holy book to make a rule such as this without providing the reasoning behind it. I, for one, would be like, "the beef salesman probably threw that in there to help his own business", unless I was convinced that God had a good reason.

Peace be on you.
1= I wonder if you can see post # 16 ? [it is about why flesh of swine is prohibited]
2= Arabic has the beauty that meanings and reasons are contained in the words and their derivatives, that is why this language carry more knowledge in few words. Kindly read the following,

verse 174 and note 180

and the next page through
The Holy Quran
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/quran/tafseer/?page=222&region=E1&CR=EN,E2

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My ex-fiance had a pitch-in dinner at work once, and she made twice baked potatoes, and she felt terrible for forgetting to make some without bacon in them because she did work with a Muslim girl. The reason she felt bad about it is because she knows it is against the Muslim religion to eat pork.
The understanding though made it to not be that big of a deal. But had she had a similar "oh well, why does it matter?" attitude she probably wouldn't have been promoted to manager.

 

[leibowde84]

Peace be on you.
1= I wonder if you can see post # 16 ? [it is about why flesh of swine is prohibited]
2= Arabic has the beauty that meanings and reasons are contained in the words and their derivatives, that is why this language carry more knowledge in few words. Kindly read the following,

verse 174 and note 180

and the next page through
The Holy Quran
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/quran/tafseer/?page=222&region=E1&CR=EN,E2

This isn't what I'm asking about. There was a brief explanation regarding killing animals and blood, but those fears have been debunked with modern science and new ways of preparing meat. I really am having a hard time understanding why the name of an animal would have any bearing on why God would not want us to eat it. The Kosher tradition made sense thousands of years ago for safety reasons, but now we don't need them because of food preparation advancements. I feel like the same could be said for this rule. If not why not?

 

[leibowde84]

As a Seventh day Adventist we didn't eat pork also. as the old testament says it was forbidden, and unclean to eat.

In your opinion, is that enough? Don't you demand sufficient reasoning as to why the authors of the Old Testament felt this way and, more importantly, whether their reasoning is still relevant today?

 

[DawudTalut]

This isn't what I'm asking about. .... I really am having a hard time understanding why the name of an animal would have any bearing on why God would not want us to eat it. ....

Peace be on you.
1=It the not the name of animal, due to which God would not want us to eat it.

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2=It is God ( Who has full knowledge of His creations) Who gave the name to animal (a name which explains its property) and asked us not to eat it.

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3= Please note God has placed it in which type of categories::

[Holy Quran ch2:v174] He has made unlawful to you only that which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine, and that on which the name of any other than Allah has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, it shall be no sin for him. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

[5:4] Forbidden to you is the flesh of an animal which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine; and that on which is invoked the name of one other than Allah; and that which has been strangled; and that beaten to death; and that killed by a fall; and that which has been gored to death; and that of which a wild animal has eaten, except that which you have properly slaughtered; and that which has been slaughtered at an altar. And forbidden is also that you seek to know your lot by the divining arrows. That is an act of disobedience. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of harming your religion. So fear them not, but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion. But whoso is forced by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, then, surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

[6:146] Say, ‘I find not in what has been revealed to me aught forbidden to an eater who wishes to eat it, except it be that which dies of itself, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine — for all that is unclean — or what is profane, on which is invoked the name of other than Allah. But whoso is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, then surely thy Lord is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’

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4=People also have something to say about this animal:

a--- "" Pig-related idioms
A number of idioms related to pigs have entered the English language.
Several of these idioms refer to the negative qualities traditionally ascribed to pigs. Thus, pigs are commonly associated with greed of various forms.
Pigs in popular culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia""

b---http://Why You Should Consider Not Eating Pork | Collective-Evolution

c---http://Pig & Pork Facts

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5= [Holy Quran ch 23: v52] O ye Messengers, eat of the things that are pure, and do good works. Verily, I am well aware of what you do.

 

[leibowde84]

Peace be on you.
1=It the not the name of animal, due to which God would not want us to eat it.

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2=It is God ( Who has full knowledge of His creations) Who gave the name to animal (a name which explains its property) and asked us not to eat it.

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3= Please note God has placed it in which type of categories::

[Holy Quran ch2:v174] He has made unlawful to you only that which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine, and that on which the name of any other than Allah has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, it shall be no sin for him. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

[5:4] Forbidden to you is the flesh of an animal which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine; and that on which is invoked the name of one other than Allah; and that which has been strangled; and that beaten to death; and that killed by a fall; and that which has been gored to death; and that of which a wild animal has eaten, except that which you have properly slaughtered; and that which has been slaughtered at an altar. And forbidden is also that you seek to know your lot by the divining arrows. That is an act of disobedience. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of harming your religion. So fear them not, but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion. But whoso is forced by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, then, surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

[6:146] Say, ‘I find not in what has been revealed to me aught forbidden to an eater who wishes to eat it, except it be that which dies of itself, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine — for all that is unclean — or what is profane, on which is invoked the name of other than Allah. But whoso is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, then surely thy Lord is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’

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4=People also have something to say about this animal:

a--- "" Pig-related idioms
A number of idioms related to pigs have entered the English language.
Several of these idioms refer to the negative qualities traditionally ascribed to pigs. Thus, pigs are commonly associated with greed of various forms.
Pigs in popular culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia""

b---http://Why You Should Consider Not Eating Pork | Collective-Evolution

c---http://Pig & Pork Facts

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5= [Holy Quran ch 23: v52] O ye Messengers, eat of the things that are pure, and do good works. Verily, I am well aware of what you do.

Whoa ... hold up. Gid did not name the pig, people did. Languages were developed by generations of human beings in different areas of the world. So, man gave pigs the name "swine", not God. And, it seems that the name "swine" was most likely used BECAUSE of Kosher laws. Those laws were more about sanitation than anything, and they obviously served that purpose well for a long time. My argument is that they aren't of much use today.

 

[DawudTalut]

Whoa ... hold up. Gid did not name the pig, people did.

[2:174] He has made unlawful to you only that which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine,
لحم الخنزير

and that on which the name of any other than Allah has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, it shall be no sin for him. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.


From our eyes...... God did use the word لحم الخنزير in all related verse [lahmal khinzir = flesh of swine] post 27.

Languages were developed by generations of human beings in different areas of the world.

Language was taught by God, then these continued to evolve:
Al Islam Ahmadiyya - Media Library - Audio and Video Archive
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/r.php?q=origin+of+languages&sa=

So, man gave pigs the name "swine", not God. And, it seems that the name "swine" was most likely used BECAUSE of Kosher laws. Those laws were more about sanitation than anything, and they obviously served that purpose well for a long time. My argument is that they aren't of much use today.

One is sure practicing Jews keep spirituality and health in minds when they use Kosher food.

Not eating swine, pork or pig has more than its proper cooking argument.
Moral dimension is attached since ancient too, you are overlooking.

 

[leibowde84]

[2:174] He has made unlawful to you only that which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine,
لحم الخنزير

and that on which the name of any other than Allah has been invoked. But he who is driven by necessity, being neither disobedient nor exceeding the limit, it shall be no sin for him. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.


From our eyes...... God did use the word لحم الخنزير in all related verse [lahmal khinzir = flesh of swine] post 27.



Language was taught by God, then these continued to evolve:
Al Islam Ahmadiyya - Media Library - Audio and Video Archive
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/r.php?q=origin+of+languages&sa=



One is sure practicing Jews keep spirituality and health in minds when they use Kosher food.

Not eating swine, pork or pig has more than its proper cooking argument.
Moral dimension is attached since ancient too, you are overlooking.

[/QUOTE]
That is my point. It seems like the only immoral aspect of eating Pork is that scriptures claim that God told us not to. That is not an actual argument why eating pork is immoral.

 

[Smart_Guy]

That is my point. It seems like the only immoral aspect of eating Pork is that scriptures claim that God told us not to. That is not an actual argument why eating pork is immoral.

Hey Leibowde. It's been a while, my friend

The majority of us Muslims developed this strange sense where we follow some instructions from God, specially the ones with clear and direct tone, that we might not fully or at all understand. It is kinda similar to the feeling we get when someone we really really trust tells use to trust them and do or not do something and we follow with out questioning. Eating pork is not punishable in this life in Islam which gives us the best of the best reasons to eat it if we want, yet we don't. Probably because we deeply believe Islam is the truth?

It is really hard to explain. This same sense makes us so very devoted to our parents, specially mothers, that we don't mind being enslaved under them just to gain their approval.

It is really hard to explain the feeling. Sorry if I'm not making sense in this.

Bless you

 

[Parsimony]

So the reason that pork is considered bad is because it is bad for your health? What if one could find an example of a food that was permitted in Islam that was actually worse for your health that pork? Hypothetically speaking, of course.

 

[leibowde84]

Hey Leibowde. It's been a while, my friend

The majority of us Muslims developed this strange sense where we follow some instructions from God, specially the ones with clear and direct tone, that we might not fully or at all understand. It is kinda similar to the feeling we get when someone we really really trust tells use to trust them and do or not do something and we follow with out questioning. Eating pork is not punishable in this life in Islam which gives us the best of the best reasons to eat it if we want, yet we don't. Probably because we deeply believe Islam is the truth?

It is really hard to explain. This same sense makes us so very devoted to our parents, specially mothers, that we don't mind being enslaved under them just to gain their approval.

It is really hard to explain the feeling. Sorry if I'm not making sense in this.

Bless you

As always, very elegantly put in a way that I can understand. I sincerely thank you for explaining this to me. Honestly, I have trouble with that among of faith in anything, but I get what you are saying.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The Noble Quraan 6:145 confirms its impure.
We in Islam submit to the will of God.We hear and obey.God said its impure and we don't ask questions.
God created the swine and he knows his creation better than we do.

 

[psychoslice]

In your opinion, is that enough? Don't you demand sufficient reasoning as to why the authors of the Old Testament felt this way and, more importantly, whether their reasoning is still relevant today?

Well I was just saying what I use to believe in as an SDA, and if one does believe the bible to be literally true, then yes, you should eat pork, remember the pigs that Jesus sent the evil spirits into and drove over the cliff to kill them..........but I am a vegetarian so it doesn't both me.

 

[DawudTalut]

in above
That is my point. It seems like the only immoral aspect of eating Pork is that scriptures claim that God told us not to. That is not an actual argument why eating pork is immoral.

Please read # 4 above post 27

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4=People also have something to say about this animal:

a--- "" Pig-related idioms
A number of idioms related to pigs have entered the English language.
Several of these idioms refer to the negative qualities traditionally ascribed to pigs. Thus, pigs are commonly associated with greed of various forms.
Pigs in popular culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia""

b---http://Why You Should Consider Not Eating Pork | Collective-Evolution

c---http://Pig & Pork Facts


All this is found and said by wise people after life experiences .....AND....it is same as God said.



I, humbly, have hard time with [ because people's testimony and scriptures both are given..]

.....Honestly, I have trouble with that among of faith in anything......

Back to Original Post, It is superiority of Islam and Holy Quran that they give directives and tell the wisdom too....In this case, wisdom of not eating pork is given by All-Knowing Allah the Exalted in the word used for it. i.e. Khinzir (Su-ar)

""One matter to be kept in mind in this context is that in the very name of this animal, God has indicated the reason for the prohibition of its flesh. The Arabic word for swine is Khinzir which is a compound of Khanz and Ara, which means: I see it very foul. Thus the very name that God Almighty gave to this animal at the beginning points to its uncleanness. It is a curious coincidence that in Hindi this animal is called Su’ar, which is a compound of Su’ and Ara. This also means: I see it very foul. It should not be a matter of surprise that the Arabic word Su

should have found its way into Hindi. We have established in our book Minanur-Rahman, that Arabic is the mother of all languages and that many Arabic words are to be found in all languages. Thus Su’ is an Arabic word and its equivalent in Hindi is bad. This animal is also called bad in Hindi. There is no doubt that at the time when Arabic was the universal language this animal was known in this country by an Arabic name which was synonymous with Khinzir, and so it has continued to this day. It is possible that in Sanskrit this word might have undergone some transformation, but the true word is Khinzir which proclaims its own meaning. It is not necessary to enter into a detailed exposition of the foulness of this animal. Everyone knows that it eats filth and is utterly shameless. Thus the reason for the prohibition of its flesh is obvious, as by the law of nature its flesh would have a foul effect on the body and the soul of one who eats it. As we have already demonstrated food affects a person’s soul and there can be no doubt that the flesh of such a foul animal would also be foul. Even in pre-Islamic times, Greek physicians had opined that the flesh of this animal particularly damages the faculty of modesty and fosters shamelessness.""

[Ref: Post 16 of "The Philosophy of Teachings of Islam" @ alislam.org]

 

[DawudTalut]

Well I was just saying what I use to believe in as an SDA, and if one does believe the bible to be literally true, then yes, you should eat pork, remember the pigs that Jesus sent the evil spirits into and drove over the cliff to kill them..........but I am a vegetarian so it doesn't both me.

I think anyone who loves Jesus should not eat pork as:
1-Jesus was a devout Jew he did not break laws of Torah.
2-When he said it was important what comes out of mouth, not what goes in. It simply meant people should do virtues by heart otherwise mere ceremonial faith is not good.
3-Talking about Peter's dream, dream have meanings.
4-Jesus did not come to abolish the law.

 

[oldbadger]

...........................A few days later I brought food from home, a pastry on the way in which the Iraqi meat
It submitted a piece to that Muslim
It was delicious.....................................

........ It looks as if you did this deliberately.
enough..........................

 

[psychoslice]

I think anyone who loves Jesus should not eat pork as:
1-Jesus was a devout Jew he did not break laws of Torah.
2-When he said it was important what comes out of mouth, not what goes in. It simply meant people should do virtues by heart otherwise mere ceremonial faith is not good.
3-Talking about Peter's dream, dream have meanings.
4-Jesus did not come to abolish the law.

Yes I agree with all that. I think Peter's dream was more about seeing everyone as one, not to see them as unclean, or below you.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Kind of a dick move to feed someone pork, pretending it to be a good gesture, knowing he doesn't eat pork.