Obama and the Left....Excell as Salesmen for Firearm Manufactures

[tytlyf]

No, we do not need new laws on firearms, enforce the old ones first.

The laws are enforced. If laws are not enforced, it's because there are police that are sympathetic to the 2A and refuse to enforce the laws.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...op-local-cops-from-enforcing-federal-gun-laws

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The laws are enforced.

If the were enforced many of those who committed mass shootings would not have been able to get their guns legally, and the shooters at the recent California shooting wouldn't have been able to get theirs either given their known contact and affiliations with suspected terrorists.

 

[tytlyf]

If the were enforced many of those who committed mass shootings would not have been able to get their guns legally, and the shooters at the recent California shooting wouldn't have been able to get theirs either given their known contact and affiliations with suspected terrorists.

So blame the gun dealers. Blame the 'responsible' gun owners who sell to strangers for cash. Laws are enforced. If laws aren't enforced then it's a police officer who chooses not to enforce laws on the books because he feels the 2A should not be infringed.

 

[esmith]

And an interesting point that pro-gun nuts do not like is the fact that mass shootings rarely happen in gun-free zones. It just goes to show how distorted our national discourse concerning guns is.

What!!!!!!! Where were 99% of the mass shootings? I would assume that you think that there has to be a sign that says "gun free zone" for firearms not to be allowed. IMO you are grasping at straws.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What!!!!!!! Where were 99% of the mass shootings? I would assume that you think that there has to be a sign that says "gun free zone" for firearms not to be allowed. IMO you are grasping at straws.

Where were they? Not at places were it is illegal to carry or posted as a gun-free zone.

 

[esmith]

So blame the gun dealers. Blame the 'responsible' gun owners who sell to strangers for cash. Laws are enforced. If laws aren't enforced then it's a police officer who chooses not to enforce laws on the books because he feels the 2A should not be infringed.

I think I'm going to have to disagree with you in your assertion that federal firearm laws are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.. I would suggest you research prior to making a statement.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

 

[esmith]

Where were they? Not at places were it is illegal to carry or posted as a gun-free zone.

Uh, got you there. Try Fort Hood, try Sandy Hook, try Columbine, Washington Navy Yard,....should I go on or do you want to change your answer.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Uh, got you there. Try Fort Hood, try Sandy Hook, try Columbine, Washington Navy Yard,....should I go on or do you want to change your answer.

99% of them did not happen in gun-free zones. That is what you asked.

 

[Revoltingest]

They're illegal. In many places.

And they're legal in many places.

 

[Revoltingest]

The problem with that would be situations, such as passing another car on a two-lane highway or trying to avoid an accident, whereas some extra speed might be necessary. Even though I'm respectful of advanced technology, nevertheless human decisions are still often needed.

Note that I said "significantly".
Of course I anticipated the usefulness of speeding when passing.
This is easily accomplished by allowing some amount over the limit for a limited period of time.

How many times have you gone to pay for something whereas the clerk can't figure out your change unless the register tells them?

I can't recall a single time that's ever happened.....even in a blue state.

 

[esmith]

99% of them did not happen in gun-free zones. That is what you asked.

No you said and I quote"And an interesting point that pro-gun nuts do not like is the fact that mass shootings rarely happen in gun-free zones. It just goes to show how distorted our national discourse concerning guns is.
So, were these "gun free zones" or is illegal to carry firearms in those places..
Fort Hood, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Washington Navy Yard

Let me make it easy for you. All of the above places it was illegal to have on ones person a firearm. So, basically they were gun free zones. And every one of them had mass shootings.

 

[metis]

No, we do not need new laws on firearms, enforce the old ones first. That sound like a plan. You say only 5% of the mass shooting in this country involve the mentally ill. If so, who are the other 95%? Break it down by the general groupings.
So, how was this woman able to get into the country since we know(now)she was radicalize before she even arrived?

I do not have a breakdown of the other 95% but you miss the point by asking that question, as it simply is a total fallacy to state or imply that most mass shootings are conducted by the mentally ill. Oh, how coud I foreget-- you get most of your "news" from the Fox Propaganda Channel.

Secondly, why do we need to do one "first" and not also take sensible steps that even most NRA members support? Thorough background checks, making the transfer of guns from one to another without changing their registry illegal, banning large clips, banning weapons such as the AR-15 and AK-47, etc.

The fact of the matter is that just about every sensible plan approach to make this country safer with our guns has been and continues to be opposed by the NRA, which I think is a greater threat to the security of the U.S. than is ISIS-- and I ain't exaggerating.

My father was a proud member of the NRA for years, but when he went down to a gun show near Miami and saw what they were selling and the kind of people who were doing most of the buying, he came home, cut up his NRA card, and mailed it to them and told them where they could stuff it-- literally.

 

[metis]

I can't recall a single time that's ever happened.....even in a blue state.

Really? Wow, I've seen it happen every now and then. Maybe I live in a less educated part of town? Nah.

 

[Revoltingest]

My father was a proud member of the NRA for years, but when he went down to a gun show near Miami and saw what they were selling and the kind of people who were doing most of the buying, he came home, cut up his NRA card, and mailed it to them and told them where they could stuff it-- literally.

So your social ways are a family thing, eh?

Really? Wow, I've seen it happen every now and then. Maybe I live in a less educated part of town? Nah.

Well, Ann Arbor does have more over-educated fry cooks, clerks, & baristas
per square foot than just about any other place on Earth.
I once hired a PhD in music education for painting touch up & toilet plunging.

 

[metis]

So your social ways are a family thing, eh?

Ya, and I can demonstrate what he did on you if you'd like. Remember, us frog-eaters do tend to have quick tempers because we're compassionate, good looking, extremely well-educated, etc. Our main problem is that we tend to disagree with weird people a lot.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ya, and I can demonstrate what he did on you if you'd like. Remember, us frog-eaters do tend to have quick tempers because we're compassionate, good looking, extremely well-educated, etc. Our main problem is that we tend to disagree with weird people a lot.

Seriously, compassion & the tendency to be abusive when flying off the handle are mutually exclusive.

 

[metis]

Seriously, compassion & the tendency to be abusive when flying off the handle are mutually exclusive.

Not really. If that were to be the case, I would be one of the most abused husbands in the U.S. because I'm married to a Sicilian.

Seriously, some people are more high-strung than others, so we're not all cut from the same mold. BTW, you can be and have been very abusive at times, which is why I put you on ignore at least three times. Matter of fact, you hold the distinction of having my record for that great honor.

"Compassion" does not mean nor imply Kumbaya. Real compassion has an intensity to it. Where I do agree with you is if I were to not try and make up for my offenses, which I think you have to agree i do quite a bit with apologies and with even removing some people from my ignore list and actually trying to have a decent conversation with them. I don't hold grudges, but I have a sister that sure can.

 

[Revoltingest]

BTW, you can be and have been very abusive at times, which is why I put you on ignore at least three times. Matter of fact, you hold the distinction of being my record for that great honor.

Someone's confusing disagreement with abuse.
You're not the first I've run into.
It would benefit to consider why such anger over mere disagreements about stuff.
But I know you've been working on it, & I give you credit for good results.

 

[metis]

Someone's confusing disagreement with abuse.
You're not the first I've run into.
It would benefit to consider why such anger over mere disagreements about stuff.

Works both ways, but maybe you can't see it within yourself. You tend to drop sarcastic little bombs very often, which I'm getting better at just ignoring or giving just a quick comeback and moving on. A truly compassionate person can get very angry at times if they feel that the other is not being fair to them or to others, so you're conflating "compassion" with "anger", and they ain't the same.

But I agree that my temper can ramp up pretty quickly, and it is something that I long have to work on to keep it in check. In real life (i.e. not here) I very rarely "lose it". My wife and I have been married for 48 years, and only once in that period of time did we ever go to bed angry with each other-- and then we laughed the next morning because we had a hard time remembering what we were arguing about.

 

[metis]

BTW, when you catch me "ramping up" with my anger, please mention it-- I'm serious. Sometimes I do need to be reminded to simmer down.