Obama and the Left....Excell as Salesmen for Firearm Manufactures

[Revoltingest]

Works both ways, but maybe you can't see it within yourself. You tend to drop sarcastic little bombs very often, which I'm getting better at just ignoring or giving just a quick comeback and moving on. A truly compassionate person can get very angry at times if they feel that the other is not being fair to them or to others, so you're conflating "compassion" with "anger", and they ain't the same.

But I agree that my temper can ramp up pretty quickly, and it is something that I long have to work on to keep it in check. In real life (i.e. not here) I very rarely "lose it". My wife and I have been married for 48 years, and only once in that period of time did we ever go to bed angry with each other-- and then we laughed the next morning because we had a hard time remembering what we were arguing about.

I promise to never go to bed with you angry.

 

[metis]

I promise to never go to bed with you angry.

Oh, that's a relief!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let me make it easy for you. All of the above places it was illegal to have on ones person a firearm. So, basically they were gun free zones. And every one of them had mass shootings.

You named a few, and yes, some mass shootings do happen in gun-free zones. But they don't happen that often.
http://everytownresearch.org/mass-shootings/
Our analysis show this is not the case: an overwhelming majority of mass shootings take place in private homes where gun carrying is unrestricted, and only 13% took place in a so-called “gun-free zone.”

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Laws are enforced.

They are clearly not enforced well enough. And for breaking them, like so many other things in our legal system, the punishment does not match the severity of the crime (in this, such as with drunk driving, the penalties are not harsh enough).

 

[esmith]

You named a few, and yes, some mass shootings do happen in gun-free zones. But they don't happen that often.
http://everytownresearch.org/mass-shootings/
Our analysis show this is not the case: an overwhelming majority of mass shootings take place in private homes where gun carrying is unrestricted, and only 13% took place in a so-called “gun-free zone.”

I counter with the following:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ootings-since-2009-occured-in-gun-free-zones/
Note: you have to download a pdf file to read the report by CPRC (Crime Prevention Research Center). L

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I counter with the following:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ootings-since-2009-occured-in-gun-free-zones/
Note: you have to download a pdf file to read the report by CPRC (Crime Prevention Research Center). L

Brietbart admits he is a biased source, so of course he will only present data that makes his side look good. And the standard he attributes to Everytown isn't Everytown's standard, but the FBI standard. And according to the Everytown pdf study, "14% happen in gun-free zones." (page 6 of the pdf), specifically stating that no more than 15 that were examined happened in such places.

 

[Underhill]

I've shot an AK-47 and have known two people one to own one. Of course, not fully automatic.

Which was my point. The vast majority of AK's aren't automatic in this country.

 

[Revoltingest]

You named a few, and yes, some mass shootings do happen in gun-free zones. But they don't happen that often.
http://everytownresearch.org/mass-shootings/
Our analysis show this is not the case: an overwhelming majority of mass shootings take place in private homes where gun carrying is unrestricted, and only 13% took place in a so-called “gun-free zone.”

Wasn't he referring to mass shootings?
These do tend to happen in public places where guns are banned.
Now, if we can only figure out how to get those bent upon mass murder to honor the ban, we'll have made progress.

 

[metis]

I do believe we have a rather bizarre set of priorities in this country at times. We have more people in prison than any country in the world by far, and yet a high percentage are in there for non-violent crimes. Meanwhile, people caught with illegal guns are typically not given any sentences or are just getting a slap on the wrist unless they use their gun in the committing of a crime. So, we pack our prisons with people who get caught buying or taking drugs but yet can't find the space to put in illegal gun sellers or owners? Oh gee, I wonder why we have such a high crime rate?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

These do tend to happen in public places where guns are banned.

Only 13-14% of them. It's absolutely hilarious that Breitbart used the same source I did, but completely flipped the numbers around.

 

[Revoltingest]

Only 13-14% of them. It's absolutely hilarious that Breitbart used the same source I did, but completely flipped the numbers around.

Only 13-14% of mass murders are in gun free zones?
Are you looking at figures outside the US?
Source?

Perhaps I only notice the mass shootings which are prominent in the news.
Ones in the home seem quite rare.
Source?

 

[metis]

We are averaging mass shootings in the U.S. at more than one per day on the average over the last year. We are so "used" to them that most only tend to make the local news.

 

[dust1n]

Which was my point. The vast majority of AK's aren't automatic in this country.

I was responding to what I thought was a claim that having an AK47 was illegal in America. It's not.

As far as whether something is automatic or semi-automatic I imagine very little difference. Pulling the trigger multiple times is not an issue or deterrent for anyone trying to unload a magazine.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Only 13-14% of mass murders are in gun free zones?

Correct.

Are you looking at figures outside the US?

It is FBI statistics for mass-shootings in America.

Source?

It's been posted twice, and you even quoted a post with it. The point is that gun-free zones are the hot-spots for shootings that paranoid gun-nuts and the NRA claim they are.

Perhaps I only notice the mass shootings which are prominent in the news.

Pretty much. Much like police killing unarmed civilians, they have become so common that only the most ratings-prone stories find themselves being national news.

Ones in the home seem quite rare.

About half of them start at home and involve a family member being killed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Correct.

It is FBI statistics for mass-shootings in America.

It's been posted twice, and you even quoted a post with it. The point is that gun-free zones are the hot-spots for shootings that paranoid gun-nuts and the NRA claim they are.

Pretty much. Much like police killing unarmed civilians, they have become so common that only the most ratings-prone stories find themselves being national news.

About half of them start at home and involve a family member being killed.

Looking at the Everytown link, I saw no criterion for what is a "mass shooting", so their case is not made.

 

[Underhill]

Correct.

It is FBI statistics for mass-shootings in America.

It's been posted twice, and you even quoted a post with it. The point is that gun-free zones are the hot-spots for shootings that paranoid gun-nuts and the NRA claim they are.

Pretty much. Much like police killing unarmed civilians, they have become so common that only the most ratings-prone stories find themselves being national news.

About half of them start at home and involve a family member being killed.

Well gun-free zones have always been silly. I don't think most of these nuts target gun free zones, but the gun free zones happen to be at federal sites and condensed city areas where a shooter would be most dangerous (or effective from the shooters perspective). Gun Free Zones are not about stopping shootings. It's about making the public feel safe, even if it makes no tangible difference.

Where the NRA goes off the rails is with the notion that this means all regulation of firearms is silly in much the same way.

What it does show is the problem with localized regulations. Where I live, there are strict regulations on guns. You can get hunting guns (with a quick background check) but everything else is permit only. But it's completely meaningless as 8 miles away (in the next state) I can walk into a gun store and buy a pistol with no permit legally.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Looking at the Everytown link, I saw no criterion for what is a "mass shooting", so their case is not made.

It states they used the FBI standards, as they were using FBI data.

 

[Revoltingest]

It states they used the FBI standards, as they were using FBI data.

This still doesn't define what a "mass shooting" is.
2?
3?
More?
I'd think closer to 10.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This still doesn't define what a "mass shooting" is.
2?
3?
More?
I'd think closer to 10.

According to the FBI, it's four or more.

 

[Revoltingest]

According to the FBI, it's four or more.

That's a multiple homicide, but to call it a "mass" shooting.....that seems to merely spin one thing into a larger thing.
With such different definitions at work, everyone is not even wrong.