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Obama Moves away from 'Freedom of Religion'
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Wannabe Yogi
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Some of us are not only suspicious but tired of religion being used as an excuse for bad behavior. Whether religion is used to deny the equal treatment of Gays or its use to force non christian kids to pray at high school football games down south. I see freedom of worship as a good slogan for the beliefs that should be expressed in America. You have the right to deny gays being married in your church just keep it out of mine. Because you have that right to worship any way you want.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
I don't understand why people are so offended when they see people being religious in public. I've seen JW's walking around, I've been approached by them, found their literature in my apt. complex laundry, etc. Great! I've seen people walk around with their long hair wrapped up in a turban. Great! I've been approached on the street by evangelists on more than one occasion to debate religion. Terrific! I've seen athiests...walk around. Great! What's the big deal? If I was caught in the middle of a muslim prayer where they were playing their weird quran songs over loudspeaker, that would be really interesting. I wouldn't by any means feel obliged to pray. Do people really think you can force someone to pray? I just don't get what the big deal is. Even in schools. I remember learning about muhammed and the 5 pillars. I never felt like the teacher was trying to convert me or that my faith was shaken. And how crappy would it be if no one ever taught me what other faiths believe?
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
So only Christian's worship? Not Jews? Muslim's? Wiccans? Anyone else? Really grasping here. And in the end it doesn't matter what he or anyone says. The first amendment is the law.
ButTheCatCameBack
Active Member
Wait I thought Obama was a Muslim so obviously he wants Sharia law. Now he wants to take away ALL religious freedom as part of his nazi/socialist(pun intended) agenda? Argh, conservative political pundits are making me so confused as to which version of Obama to slander and blame all our problems on! /sarcasm.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
There's a little thing called separation of church and state. And you can't force people to pray such as with schools. It doesn't matter what YOU felt. What about other people and how they felt? Did you ever ask the only Jewish kid in class? Or the only atheist? I'm sure you did right? And how crappy would it be if nobody cared? If you want to be religious do it. The first amendment says you can worship etc. But it also says you don't have to. Which is what "freedom of/from religion" is all about. And besides there is the law that is for EVERYONE not just you and your feelings.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I doubt anything significant will happen.
Actually, freedom of worship sounds a lot more all-encompassing to me. It includes those who may not belong to an organized religion, but prefer to worship in their own way.
I don't get the "religion=do it anywhere" and" worship= do it only in private" connection. Wouldn't praying on a street corner be considered worship?
And just a little aside, I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who are upset about the usage of worship over religion, and up in arms about 1st Ammendment rights, are probably the same people who were castigating Obama over "not doing anything" about allowing a religious organization to build a mosque on privately owned land.
I don't get the "religion=do it anywhere" and" worship= do it only in private" connection. Wouldn't praying on a street corner be considered worship?
And just a little aside, I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who are upset about the usage of worship over religion, and up in arms about 1st Ammendment rights, are probably the same people who were castigating Obama over "not doing anything" about allowing a religious organization to build a mosque on privately owned land.
Smoke
Done here.
That's because there is no connection. These people are absolutely desperate for conspiracy theories to wet their pants over. If Obama told them, "God loves you," they'd think it was a Communist plot.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
If the school is mandating, endorsing or initiating a prayer, that's inappropriate. If prayer happens at school, I don't think that's wrong. Schools and other government entities aside, I think that people should be able to pray, etc. in the public square without worrying about being antagonized for it. I think that's the point of freedom of religion, not "freedom of religion as long as no one notices".
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
So who's stopping you from praying?
Danmac
Well-Known Member
Freedom of worship means you can be executed for public conversion away from Islam.
And many Americans really believe that Obama is a Muslim.
A patronizer would be a better guess.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Matt 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
Nobody says you will get in trouble for praying in public. Jesus just thought it was a bad idea.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
Oooh, lookey there.