Obama: Muslim or Christian?

[w00t]

what wasnt?

TB's faith wasn't an issue in the elections!

 

[kai]

TB's faith wasn't an issue in the elections!

oh i see no but it was an issue all through the Iraq thing and his conversion was very topical.

And on the seventh day Tony Blair created... | Politics | The Observer

 

[The Great Architect]

TB's faith wasn't an issue in the elections!

oh i see no but it was an issue all through the Iraq thing and his conversion was very topical.

And on the seventh day Tony Blair created... | Politics | The Observer

Wow, you were right! They made a huge deal out of Blair's faith, in the article:

There were furrowed brows of consternation when Blair, asked who he would answer to for the deaths of British soldiers, replied: 'My Maker'.

I thought the above comment was very reasonable. Admirable, even. In America, it seems to be the other way round. If the President, or a member of Parliament/Congress/whatever, is not seen to have faith -- they are practically roasted alive! :areyoucra This is just my overall impression. In God we trust, etc.

(I could be wrong)

 

[w00t]

Wow, you were right! They made a huge deal out of Blair's faith, in the article:


I thought the above comment was very reasonable. Admirable, even. In America, it seems to be the other way round. If the President, or a member of Parliament/Congress/whatever, is not seen to have faith -- they are practically roasted alive! :areyoucra This is just my overall impression. In God we trust, etc.

(I could be wrong)

But to the public at large it wasn't a big deal!

 

[kai]

Wow, you were right! They made a huge deal out of Blair's faith, in the article:

I thought the above comment was very reasonable. Admirable, even. In America, it seems to be the other way round. If the President, or a member of Parliament/Congress/whatever, is not seen to have faith -- they are practically roasted alive! :areyoucra This is just my overall impression. In God we trust, etc.

(I could be wrong)

i am very wary of a leader who thinks god is playing a role in his decisions, but thats just me

 

[w00t]

i am very wary of a leader who thinks god is playing a role in his decisions, but thats just me

If TB thought God was guiding his decisions he kept very quiet about it, otherwise he would definitely not have been elected. The British population as a whole find religion embarrassing.

 

[Panda]

oh yeah thats why tony Blair converted to catholisism when he left office then, and there has been a hell of a lot of critisism of blair and his religion. thats why its a major factor in elections

Until he converted I never knew what religion our ex-Prime Minister was. To be truthful I don't care either.

 

[w00t]

Until he converted I never knew what religion our ex-Prime Minister was. To be truthful I don't care either.

I don't care what religion our politicians espouse as long as they keep it well out of their politics!

 

[kai]

how Bizarre it was in the papers and on the news quite often speculating hw was converting to roman cathoicism and that he attended mass with his wife .
from 2006
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.

Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.

Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq' - UK Politics, UK - Independent.co.uk


from 2004
This story sounds vaguely familiar: A leading national politician disagrees with Roman Catholic teachings, but still attends Catholic Mass. The press goes nuts wondering if he'll take Communion, or if he'll be barred the elements. Church leaders and the politician's staff seem to differ significantly on the facts.
Only we're not talking about John Kerry, but British Prime Minister Tony Blair. Roman Catholic priest Timothy Russ is quoted throughout the British press today saying that Blair is on the verge of converting.
Weblog: Is Tony Blair Converting to Catholicism? | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

 

[lilithu]

I don't care what religion our politicians espouse as long as they keep it well out of their politics!

That is essentially saying, I don't care what you believe so long your beliefs don't affect you in any way.

 

[Troublemane]

Isnt he that wrestler?...I keep thinking when Obama wins the election his speech will begin with : "FINALLY, Barack has returned to the White House!!!"

and continue with " Do you smelllllllll what Barack is cookin!!!!"

...that is his tag line isnt it?

 

[tomspug]

That is essentially saying, I don't care what you believe so long your beliefs don't affect you in any way.

LOL! Yeah, right!

 

[fantome profane]

well i wouldnt label it bigotry if it turned out that Obama was born and registered a muslim as a child ,three quarters of the Islamic world would say the great satan is ran by an apostate ( if he was president) , its a possible international catastrophe and needed to be asked and clarified

What in the world would you label as bigotry then?

We are talking about the fact that in the past a person who wasn’t a white man would have no chance of becoming president. This is bigotry.

You are telling me that ¾ of the Islamic world would have a problem with Obama because of his conversion. If this is true, this is bigotry.

You are telling me that many of the American voters would not vote for Obama if he were a Muslim, or even if he was a Muslim at one time. Again if this is true, it is clearly a case of bigotry.


If this is not bigotry in your opinion, I really can’t imagine what would be.

 

[kai]

What in the world would you label as bigotry then?

We are talking about the fact that in the past a person who wasn’t a white man would have no chance of becoming president. This is bigotry. i am not, you are

You are telling me that ¾ of the Islamic world would have a problem with Obama because of his conversion. If this is true, this is bigotry. thats religious belief in Islam

You are telling me that many of the American voters would not vote for Obama if he were a Muslim, or even if he was a Muslim at one time. Again if this is true, it is clearly a case of bigotry.I have no idea if they would vote for him or not , you tell me , personally i said they wouldnt vote for him if he was an atheist!


If this is not bigotry in your opinion, I really can’t imagine what would be.

what is it that i am saying thats bigotry because you have confused the hell out of me

 

[The Great Architect]

I am confused, too.

 

[rajakrsna]

Calling Obama a Muslim may not be good for his image as US Presidential candidate.Because Obama rhymes with Osama.

 

[w00t]

A Muslim couldn't do any worse than the so called 'born again' Bush that is for sure!

 

[fantome profane]

what is it that i am saying thats bigotry because you have confused the hell out of me

I am not saying that you personally are saying anything that is bigoted. If I have implied that then I apologize.

What I am saying is that taking a position on a person based on the fact that they may have been a Muslim at one time is something that I would label as bigotry. No question about it. If this would cause an international catastrophe it would be because of huge levels of bigotry. You say that it’s “religious belief in Islam”. So what? It may be religious belief in Islam, but it is still bigotry. Being a religious belief does not make it exempt from the label of bigotry.

What confuses me is that you can look at an example like this (an example that you brought up, not me) and say that it is not something you would label as bigotry. So please tell me, if this is not bigotry, what is?

You were asked why Obama’s religion is relevant, and you replied because it would make it impossible for him to be elected president. This may be true or not. But if it is true then it is because there exists a significant level of bigotry in the American voting population. But apparently this is not something that you would label as bigotry, so what in the world is bigotry in your personal dictionary?

My original point was that it seems at least possible that the American voting public is ready to get past their bigotry concerning race and gender and may actually be able to vote for someone who isn’t a white man. Time will tell. And if this is possible then it is possible that they could one day get past their bigotry and be able to vote for someone who is a Muslim, or someone who was once a Muslim (or even someone who is an atheist, one day we can hope.)

 

[kai]

I am not saying that you personally are saying anything that is bigoted. If I have implied that then I apologize.

What I am saying is that taking a position on a person based on the fact that they may have been a Muslim at one time is something that I would label as bigotry. No question about it. If this would cause an international catastrophe it would be because of huge levels of bigotry. You say that it’s “religious belief in Islam”. So what? It may be religious belief in Islam, but it is still bigotry. Being a religious belief does not make it exempt from the label of bigotry.

What confuses me is that you can look at an example like this (an example that you brought up, not me) and say that it is not something you would label as bigotry. So please tell me, if this is not bigotry, what is?

You were asked why Obama’s religion is relevant, and you replied because it would make it impossible for him to be elected president. This may be true or not. But if it is true then it is because there exists a significant level of bigotry in the American voting population. But apparently this is not something that you would label as bigotry, so what in the world is bigotry in your personal dictionary?

My original point was that it seems at least possible that the American voting public is ready to get past their bigotry concerning race and gender and may actually be able to vote for someone who isn’t a white man. Time will tell. And if this is possible then it is possible that they could one day get past their bigotry and be able to vote for someone who is a Muslim, or someone who was once a Muslim (or even someone who is an atheist, one day we can hope.)

ok now i am with you no need to apologise i see what you mean now,
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big·ot·ry

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tri/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[big-uh-tree]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–noun, plural -ries. 1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

if a religion considers you an apostate is that bigotry i don't know what do you think?

if you would rather vote for a Christian because you are a Christian thats up to you ,is that bigotry?

Is stubbornly voting republican or democrat all your life being a bigot ?


so heres my stance i consider that bigotry is the same as the dictionary .com example


its a fact that a Muslim apostate in the oval office would not do US relations in the middle east any favors . so i say iwouldnt label it as bigotry the fact that people wanted to know.

and in the privacy of the ballot box people can be as bigoted as they like because know one will know. and the black and white thing is all yours i couldn't care less if hes black or white i am interested in the religions of leaders with the power to destroy the world though.


i am still not really sure what your problem is? people cant like everybody and if muslims dont like apostates you will just have to live with it. or take it up with them.

 

[djrez4]

One thought:

Going to a Muslim school does not necessarily make you a Muslim. I attended Sunday school and Hebrew school for years, but I never believed in Judaism.