Obama: Muslim or Christian?

[fantome profane]

if a religion considers you an apostate is that bigotry i don't know what do you think?

If they are judging a persons value, his capabilities, his integrity based on this, then yes. I would label that as bigotry, no question.

if you would rather vote for a Christian because you are a Christian thats up to you ,is that bigotry?

If you are voting for someone who shares your values, that is not bigotry. If you refuse to vote for someone because they have been labeled a Muslim, or an apostate, or an atheist without considering that persons values, qualifications or merits, then that is absolutely bigotry. That is dictionary bigotry.

Is stubbornly voting republican or democrat all your life being a bigot ?

If you show stubborn and complete intolerance of someone because they belong to another party, yes that is bigotry.

its a fact that a Muslim apostate in the oval office would not do US relations in the middle east any favors . so i say iwouldnt label it as bigotry the fact that people wanted to know.

I don’t know about that. You may be right, but you may be wrong. It could be that a person who has a greater understanding of and experience with Islam would be a great help for U.S I wasn’t saying that people are bigots just for asking a question. But if someone refuses to vote for Obama because some people in the Middle East have a problem with his religion, they are still letting bigotry decide their vote. I am not sure it matters that it is someone else’s bigotry and not their own. I realize I might be naïve about this, but too often I have seen people use the excuse of other peoples bigotry as a cover or an excuse for their own. Obama might be in a unique situation to actually help with the U.S.’s relationship with certain Islamic states.

i am still not really sure what your problem is? people cant like everybody and if muslims dont like apostates you will just have to live with it. or take it up with them.

I’m problem free. I was just trying to make the point that it is possible for people to overcome their bigotry and it is conceivable that it may eventually happen. I was also trying to get a clearer idea of what you would consider bigotry. Both have now been accomplished.

 

[kai]

If they are judging a persons value, his capabilities, his integrity based on this, then yes. I would label that as bigotry, no question.


If you are voting for someone who shares your values, that is not bigotry. If you refuse to vote for someone because they have been labeled a Muslim, or an apostate, or an atheist without considering that persons values, qualifications or merits, then that is absolutely bigotry. That is dictionary bigotry.

If you show stubborn and complete intolerance of someone because they belong to another party, yes that is bigotry.


I don’t know about that. You may be right, but you may be wrong. It could be that a person who has a greater understanding of and experience with Islam would be a great help for U.S I wasn’t saying that people are bigots just for asking a question. But if someone refuses to vote for Obama because some people in the Middle East have a problem with his religion, they are still letting bigotry decide their vote. I am not sure it matters that it is someone else’s bigotry and not their own. I realize I might be naïve about this, but too often I have seen people use the excuse of other peoples bigotry as a cover or an excuse for their own. Obama might be in a unique situation to actually help with the U.S.’s relationship with certain Islamic states.


I’m problem free. I was just trying to make the point that it is possible for people to overcome their bigotry and it is conceivable that it may eventually happen. I was also trying to get a clearer idea of what you would consider bigotry. Both have now been accomplished.

yes except i am not sure a christion can vote for anyone else but a christian in fact muslims and christians do not share the same values, when does it become bigotry , maybe for another thread

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-debates/62619-what-bigotry.html

 

[logician]

yes except i am not sure a christion can vote for anyone else but a christian in fact muslims and christians do not share the same values, when does it become bigotry , maybe for another thread

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-debates/62619-what-bigotry.html

If that is true, it is bigotry.

 

[Muffled]

Is Obama a Muslim or a Christian?

A Christian but as a UCC member it is possible for him to be pretty loosey goosey with it. On the other hand the UCC is a decent refuge for someone influenced by a Muslim father because it doesn't restrict beliefs as much. He would probably be a lot less comfortable in a conservative church.

I tend to think there are many similar beliefs in Islam and Christianity.

I wouldn't vote for him because as a Democrat he is committed to party platforms that I would never support.

I disagree that a Christian has a better chance of winning because 60% of the voting population is not Christian and that makes a majority. I take umbrance at the suggestion by political pundits that Huckaby could never win because he was formally a minister even though he has been a politician for the last ten years or more. Of course the press goes out of its way to disparage Christianity any chance it gets.

 

[K.Venugopal]

I read the following in today's newspaper (Asian Age, India): "Republican John McCain quickly denounced the comments of a conservative radio talk show host who while warming up a campaign crowd referred repeatedly to Barack Hussein Obama and suggested the Democrat was an unsavoury politician."

I wonder why many Americans think it politically incorrect to mention Obama’s middle name Hussein while being comfortable referring to Hillary Rodham Clinton. That Obama’s father and step-father were Muslims is undisputed. If any doubt persists whether Obama was initiated into Islam during his childhood by an over-zealous step-father, maybe a ‘circumcision-test’ ought to be called for, like a virginity-test was called for in Britain when a bride was sought for Prince Charles.

 

[yossarian22]

The point was that Hussein was being used as a specifically derogatory word.
Obama was made fun of for having a middle name.

 

[Smoke]

I wonder why many Americans think it politically incorrect to mention Obama’s middle name Hussein while being comfortable referring to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

There's nothing incorrect about using Obama's middle name; it is, after all, his middle name. At the same time, everybody knows what the people who use his middle name are doing. It's not like they go around referring to Richard Bruce Cheney all the time, is it?

By the way, Rodham isn't Hillary's middle name. It's her maiden name; in fact, it was just her surname until 1982. She kept her own name when she married, and only started using the name Clinton when her husband ran for president. Her middle name is Diane.

 

[lilithu]

There's nothing incorrect about using Obama's middle name; it is, after all, his middle name. At the same time, everybody knows what the people who use his middle name are doing. It's not like they go around referring to Richard Bruce Cheney all the time, is it?

By the way, Rodham isn't Hillary's middle name. It's her maiden name; in fact, it was just her surname until 1982. She kept her own name when she married, and only started using the name Clinton when her husband ran for president. Her middle name is Diane.

Actually, she started using "Clinton" when Bill lost re-election to the governorship of Arkansas. It was one of several changes they made that got him re-elected the next time around. Just me picking nits. Other than that I of course agree with your post.

Use of Barack's middle name is not "incorrect." One just has to wonder what the motivation is behind it. It is not "incorrect" to point out that he had a Muslim father. But one wonders what the motivation is behind that too. One doesn't have to wonder too much however since McCain thought the motivation was so obvious that he publicly distanced himself from it. (Good for him!)