Father Heathen
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Yeah, that's not an over-generalization.
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Obama Not The Meissah According To Barbara Walters.
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Yeah, that's not an over-generalization.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Those who vote based solely on religious convictions use their emotions. Sure, that's their right, but let's not pretend that it's any different for what you're referring to.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No, you forgot those who might've voted for him because they didn't want to see a party placed into power that pushes a religious fundamentalist agenda that's contrary to the virtues and values that the U.S. was founded upon, such as freedom, rights, and equality.
Granted, Obama has been a disappointment in that regard considering the IRS and NSA fiascoes.
For the most part I'm a fiscal conservative, but I hate seeing misogynist, homophobic, and anti-science sentiments being legislated. And I hate seeing people being denied freedoms, rights, and equality based on entirely on irrational, arbitrary, unsubstantiated notions, which is why I'm a libertarian.
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esmith
Veteran Member
Although I would have rather seen someone else run against Obama than Romney, that had a chance of winning (the country was not ready for a Libertarian, but things are changing) I really did not see any indications that Romney was pushing a religious fundamentalist change to the country. I really do not think that he would advocated against the "values" that this country was founded upon. With his background I really do not think that social issues would have been at the top of his agenda rather it would have been the economic plight of this country that was. Yes, I am sure he is not an advocate for same-sex marriage, abortion, or forcing people to buy something they do not want to name a few. What this country needed in 2012 was a uniter not a divider; unfortunately we got the divider. As a matter of fact I see an increasing attack against the principles that this country was founded on by those on the left side of the political spectrum. The majority of this country is center right on economic and moving toward a centrist view in social values. But this is not good enough for the extreme left, they want it now and they will go to almost any means to achieve their goals.
It is my fervent hope that the 2014 elections reverses the direction that this country is headed.
tytlyf
Not Religious
You're gonna finally vote Democrat? 2014 will be a TP/Rep cleaning. People understand that the house is the problem.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
The bias is strong with this one.
esmith
Veteran Member
No, I fully support our two Senators and two Representatives.
Guess at least 67% of the country doesn't agree with you. Maybe you should get out into middle American and the small communities are and find out what the "real America" thinks.
and just for you
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do I need to continue. Maybe you should get on board with the rest of us Conservatives.
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I'm thinking the Pubs will control the Senate while keeping the house as well. Not a super majority to upsurp a fillibuster though.
esmith
Veteran Member
Not sure what the nuclear option invoked by the Dem's will have on filibusters....to lazy to look and it is a long time before Jan 2015.
tytlyf
Not Religious
So your justification for a republican victory in 2014 is based on polls that shows whether the country is on the right track or not? You do realize that the HOR is largely to blame.
I believe we all can agree that the next election will represent the pulse of our nation. I guess we all will have to stayed tuned.
tytlyf
Not Religious
This is the way I see it.
Republicans are losing voters.
Democrats are gaining voters.
Independents are still scared of voting republican.
The recent congress will have to deal with angry voters in 2014. And anyone with a pulse knows that the republicans in the house are most to blame.
LOL, the ACA will play out to the Republican's advantage watch and see. 65% do not approve while I will admit 15% that do not approve want a single payer system me included.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think much of what we'll likely see next November will be played out by the end of summer with the acceptance or rejection of the ACA likely being one of the keys and the economy the other one, although who knows what else might show up. Right now the feeling is "a pox on both your houses", and when people are angry who knows what can happen to create the next firestorm.
BTW, a general rule of thumb is that people who are angry are more apt to get out to vote, and this is especially true in off-year elections. Therefore the Republicans are likely to have an edge with 2014.
The one thing in the long run to watch for is the downward trend economically over the last 30 years that has been accelerated recently because of the Great Recession, along with an economic disparity of income. What we have in place is an antiquated system that worked well in the past whereas we had plenty of resources with a lower population ratio, but now that's all changing for the worse. Marx's "the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer" is happening, and social mobility is now lower than what we see in western Europe. College is becoming increasingly less affordable for so many, and a great many entry-level jobs pay so little that even middle-class young adults feel trapped.
We've made some poor decisions as a country, and without greater opportunities to get ahead, we'll gradually slip downward, and we've seen this happen to so many countries before who thought they could solve new problems with old solutions.
BTW, a general rule of thumb is that people who are angry are more apt to get out to vote, and this is especially true in off-year elections. Therefore the Republicans are likely to have an edge with 2014.
The one thing in the long run to watch for is the downward trend economically over the last 30 years that has been accelerated recently because of the Great Recession, along with an economic disparity of income. What we have in place is an antiquated system that worked well in the past whereas we had plenty of resources with a lower population ratio, but now that's all changing for the worse. Marx's "the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer" is happening, and social mobility is now lower than what we see in western Europe. College is becoming increasingly less affordable for so many, and a great many entry-level jobs pay so little that even middle-class young adults feel trapped.
We've made some poor decisions as a country, and without greater opportunities to get ahead, we'll gradually slip downward, and we've seen this happen to so many countries before who thought they could solve new problems with old solutions.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I find Walters to be bankrupt of intellectualism but nonetheless she must be a massive fool to think that Obama is capable of changing anything in American society. The president is not the power house of decisive government actions people assume as children.
There are 2 other houses which will always create nothing by gridlock in political reforms and it sure as hell ain't the White House
There are 2 other houses which will always create nothing by gridlock in political reforms and it sure as hell ain't the White House
Uneducated and unskilled people really have no future. If you think raising the minimum wage to 10 dollars is going to make a difference you're in for a sad disappointment.
The only way the middle class can keep up is to be employed in professional or trade jobs. They also have to invest. The market is doing quite well, but you have to get in the game or be left behind.
The ACA is not going to be affordable when the dust settles and the rates get adjusted next year.
It is simple math.
The only way the middle class can keep up is to be employed in professional or trade jobs. They also have to invest. The market is doing quite well, but you have to get in the game or be left behind.
The ACA is not going to be affordable when the dust settles and the rates get adjusted next year.
It is simple math.
Monk Of Reason
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Yep. fully aware of it. Actually Romney used to be for it. They both flip flopped on the issue. However Obama over time and Romney over night. At best he evolved his position as many (I used to be against it but now I am very much for it). or worst is he doesn't really care and moves with what is popular with his party which is what politicians are supposed to do.
esmith
Veteran Member
Would would be better is doing what is right for the country not doing what one thinks it will take to get elected; However, one must knuckle under to your political base to get elected. Unfortunately we see too many, if not all, politicians after getting elected doing anything to remain in power vice doing what is right to the country.
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tytlyf
Not Religious
Thanks for pointing out the ever increasing gap between social classes in the states. Most people don't have a college education in America, always been that way. So the people of today are lazier than the people of the past...is that what I get?
There aren't enough jobs out there to fill that demand. Why can't you start at the bottom at McDonalds and work you way up to Shift manager after 5 years and still make only $3 more per hour. I think I see the problem.
If you're younger than 65, you should see reduced costs. Especially if your income isn't that great. What I don't understand is why some people think Obama would implement Health Care reform if it was actually going to cost more? Why would he do that? If it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true.
As I've predicted, the ACA will be the drive behind the 2014 elections, will the public's opinion change after things start going? I know everyone in certain media outlets will demonize it 24/7, but they do that for one reason only.
And the math doesn't show what you're referring to. Just opinions.
How on earth did you get that? They're not lazy, the problem is we have lost middle class manufacturing jobs to other countries. You know, Ross Perot predicted the sucking sound.
Many McDonalds franchise owners started out at the bottom as workers.
The only way the ACA will work if is the young healthy folks sign up and PAY UP.
That is not happening, why? They don't have enough money after food, shelter, car, phone, etc.
So who IS signing up???? People who get medicaide and sick folks who will be a liability to the system. Insurance companies who do not get the young healthy folks on their rolls will have to balance the books some how, higher rates next year maybe?
By the time the Presidential election rolls around, the youngsters will figure out the 95 dollar penality is actually 5% and if they make say, 10K that is 500 not 95.
They will be hot! The Democrats will lose their base, watch and see. The election will be a blood bath.
We have had Bush's and Clinton's for 20 years and you want to trot out that old gun grabbing broad and go for more dynasty presidency?
