Obama on the skids -- at home and abroad

[Revoltingest]

I don't want to gloat, but I can't help but grin.

Grinning is private, & perfectly acceptable.


<grin grin grin>

 

[YmirGF]

Grinning is private, & perfectly acceptable.


<grin grin grin>

 

[metis]

Hate to put a damper on the grinning, but we should remember that if any major part of our government fails, we as a country tend to fail. Having our approval rating being low either/and domestically and internationally really shouldn't be any grinning matter, imo.

 

[YmirGF]

Hate to put a damper on the grinning, but we should remember that if any major part of our government fails, we as a country tend to fail. Having our approval rating being low either/and domestically and internationally really shouldn't be any grinning matter, imo.

Only if you think that government is the answer to all life's ills. The failure of Big Government might be the best solution. Government was supposed to protect us from adversaries, not micro-manage us, to protect us from ourselves. That said, I think the lasting impression of the Obama regime will be that we don't put amateurs in the driver's seat - no matter how well spoken some folks think they are.

 

[metis]

Only if you think that government is the answer to all life's ills.

Hyperbole. In a democracy, "government" is us, and if it fails, we fail.

The failure of Big Government might be the best solution. Government was supposed to protect us from adversaries, not micro-manage us, to protect us from ourselves. That said, I think the lasting impression of the Obama regime will be that we don't put amateurs in the driver's seat - no matter how well spoken some folks think they are.

All Presidents are "amateurs" as they will tell you themselves because there's nothing that truly prepares one for that job. Even though so many of the Republicans now deify Reagan, what he managed to accomplish most was to convince the gullible that he was a true "conservative".

As far as Obama's record is concerned, it's mixed, although I do feel it's far better than Congress'. Compared to where we were, he took the right steps, even though the Republicans tried every trick in the book to stop him. Had they truly been willing to cooperate, things could have been better, but they put politics over the country, especially being frightened to death by the Tea Party element that is so blatantly hypocritical (they're against "big government"-- unless it's programs they benefit from, such as Medicare, Social Security, Defense spending, etc.).

Anyhow, I'll give you the last word here.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Hyperbole. In a democracy, "government" is us, and if it fails, we fail.

But we are a Republic.

 

[metis]

But we are a Republic.

Don't hurt your head because a republican form of government is one type of democracy if you had bothered to look it up:

Representative democracy involves the election of government officials by the people being represented. If the head of state is also democratically elected then it is called a democratic republic. The most common mechanisms involve election of the candidate with a majority or a plurality of the votes.

Representatives may be elected or become diplomatic representatives by a particular district (or constituency), or represent the entire electorate through proportional systems, with some using a combination of the two. Some representative democracies also incorporate elements of direct democracy, such as referendums. A characteristic of representative democracy is that while the representatives are elected by the people to act in the people's interest, they retain the freedom to exercise their own judgment as how best to do so. Such reasons have driven criticism upon representative democracy, pointing out the contradictions of representation mechanisms' with democracy. -- Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems that the leopard won't change his spots, so...

 

[Revoltingest]

All Presidents are "amateurs" as they will tell you themselves because there's nothing that truly prepares one for that job.

I disagree. The chief executive position is best served by an applicant having extensive executive experience, in both the private & public sector. Anyone who has run a business or a state (having to manage people, implement agendas, & experience the results) can tell you that this gives one hard won skills. Tis better to learn them before tackling the most difficult of jobs, where the costs of avoidable mis-steps are so high.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Hyperbole. In a democracy, "government" is us, and if it fails, we fail...

I strongly disagree, metis. My government may go straight to hell, without passing GO, for all I care. I am not it, and it is not me, and I thank God for that.

 

[metis]

I strongly disagree, metis. My government may go straight to hell, without passing GO, for all I care. I am not it, and it is not me, and I thank God for that.

Then apparently you really don't care about the fate of the country, but only what affects you personally. Weak governments can destroy countries and many people in them, and history abounds with examples.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

Then apparently you really don't care about the fate of the country, but only what affects you personally. Weak governments can destroy countries and many people in them, and history abounds with examples.

Metis, This almost sound like a personal attack. I have no more love for the US Government, than I do for any other organization I pay bills to. Loving the US Government is like loving my internet service provider, or my bank [which is tantalizingly close to my being identically equal to my government]; so of course, I have no "personal" reason to rue their problems. If they fall, they will be replaced by another government, just as in the case of my bank (which has changed hands quite a lot lately). Ditto for the Russians, Chinese, etc. These things happen; and there's little or nothing I can do to halt the progress of them. They do make for interesting observation, though.

Zechariah 14 tells us what the end of these things will be. It says ALL nations will attack Israel, and when they do, God will rescue the remnant of Israel, destroy all those nations and replace them with Godly rule. The sooner that happens, in my book, the better.

 

[metis]

Metis, This almost sound like a personal attack.

I attacked your position, which I think is cruel, but not you as a person.

I have no more love for the US Government, than I do for any other organization I pay bills to.

We are the government in a democracy, so to say that you have no love for it can be an indication that you either don't like the democratic process, don't like the American people, or both.

Zechariah 14 tells us what the end of these things will be. It says ALL nations will attack Israel, and when they do, God will rescue the remnant of Israel, destroy all those nations and replace them with Godly rule. The sooner that happens, in my book, the better.

I don't believe in a deity that is willing to destroy innocent life or allow innocent life to be destroyed just to replace it with something else.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

I attacked your position, which I think is cruel, but not you as a person.

We are the government in a democracy, so to say that you have no love for it can be an indication that you either don't like the democratic process, don't like the American people, or both.

I don't believe in a deity that is willing to destroy innocent life or allow innocent life to be destroyed just to replace it with something else.

Metis, you are WAY off-base in your ungodly assumptions about me. For the record, I said nothing about democracy, nor about the American people; and your assertion that the God of the Jews is out to destroy innocent life is beyond the pale. That is the God I worship; just leave Him out of this. What any of this has to do with President Obama, meanwhile, escapes me.

For the record, Metis, I have been bombarded with personal attacks by atheists in private messages -- both here on RF, and in the "Christian" forum. They want to destroy you Jews, as much as they want to destroy me. Please put your foot back on the right side of the line.

Governments are entities that collect money and provide services, period. Don't worship them. American citizens participate in their government, about as much as IRA holders participate in the mutual funds they are invested in. I am sent proxy statements every year, to allocate my miniscule millionth or so of a vote in takeover bids, and I consistently ignore them. When it comes to the US Government, I am a shareholder with about .000001 shares. That is nothing to get passionate about. The banks and others who control my mutual funds, insurance companies, etc. take each other over on a regular basis; and in places like Europe, countries dump governments as often as they take out the garbage.

I've had some good discussions with you in other parts of RF, but I haven't seen you there lately.

Shalom shalom.

 

[metis]

Metis, you are WAY off-base in your ungodly assumptions about me. Your attack is indeed personal; I don't see how you can pretend it is otherwise. For the record, I said nothing about democracy, nor about the American people; and your assertion that the God of the Jews is out to destroy innocent life is beyond the pale. What any of this has to do with President Obama, meanwhile, escapes me.

I'm not pretending anything, nor am I attacking you personally. It seems that you are equating disagreement with personal attacks. However, I do agree that we've maybe gone too far away from the OP.

 

[BlandOatmeal]

STILL IN FREE-FALL

Obama's Approval Ratings Hit New Low After Health Care Rollout
The Huffington Post | By Ariel Edwards-Levy Posted: 11/19/2013 8:55 am EST | Updated: 11/19/2013 12:19 pm EST

The American public is expressing serious doubts about the implementation of the new health care law, sending President Barack Obama's ratings to a new low, a poll released Tuesday morning by The Washington Post and ABC News finds.

Obama's approval rating is down to 42 percent, with a record 55 percent disapproving -- down significantly from October, and slightly worse than his previous low point of 54 percent disapproval in late 2011...

-- Obama's Approval Ratings Hit New Low After Health Care Rollout

Free Fall: Obama Approval Dives to 37 Percent
Katie Pavlich | Nov 20, 2013

According to a new CBS News Poll, President Obama's approval rating has nosedived into the mid-30s, surely setting off a panic at the White House...

-- Free Fall: Obama Approval Dives to 37 Percent - Katie Pavlich

 

[BlandOatmeal]

I'm not pretending anything, nor am I attacking you personally. It seems that you are equating disagreement with personal attacks. However, I do agree that we've maybe gone too far away from the OP.

You responded before I completed editing. Please re-read what I said. You are getting passionate about a mere corporate entity, the US Government; accusing me of saying cruel things and accusing my God of wrongdoing.

Just calm down, sit back, and watch Obama slide. God's in control, and he's a good God. We've gone through years of Obama and other rulers pursuing unGodly policies. If He chooses at this time to make fun of that man, as that man certainly deserves, then let me laugh along with Him. B.O. has lifted his hand against Israel, in aiding and abetting the Iranians, and his domestic policy has concurrently taken a tumble. I'm as happy as a clam about this; it tells me that there is still justice in the earth.

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[BlandOatmeal]

Here's someone who seems to agree with you, Metis. I disagree with him about the fall of Obama being bad for America, but I LOVE it when he talks about "free fall". It's like something out of Revelation 12

January 1, 2014 4:00 AM
Resolutions for Veterans
How they can lead in addressing the country&#8217;s economic woes and defense needs.
By Pete Hegseth

"...The presidency of Barack Obama is in a virtual free fall, which is good news for partisans but bad news for America. When a president fails and the government is not capable of executing basic functions, America loses. And while I&#8217;m no fan of the president&#8217;s policies, I lament that, just one year into Obama&#8217;s second term, America is less respected by foes and less trusted by allies (and therefore less safe), more dysfunctional, and more indebted. .."

-- Resolutions for Veterans | National Review Online

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[metis]

BO, it is entirely hypocritical for you to claim that I was personally attacking you, which I wasn't, but then you turn around and post stuff that's personally offensive to someone else as in the above two posts.

1John.4[20] If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just noticed that BlandOatmeal & Barack Obama have the same initials!
And I've never seen both of them in the same room at the same time.
Makes ya think.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I just noticed that BlandOatmeal & Barack Obama have the same initials!
And I've never seen both of them in the same room at the same time.
Makes ya think.

:yes:.....