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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ction_2016/clinton_vs_trump_still_a_dead_heat
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Obama on Trump
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm wondering what happened to Rand Paul. I thought him being a libertarian would have had him in the spot light for awhile in the GOP arena, but it seems like he dropped off the face of the earth.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If the elections were today I doubt Trump would stand a chance because he has so very little support outside of the angry white formerly middle class men with little education. You take those numbers away, and he doesn't have much. And because he won't be able to get the Hispanic vote it'll pretty much be a free-pass for Hillary (or whoever is on the ballot with a D on their name).
Lots can still happen, I don't see those polls as particularly important.
I don't see a real matchup between "hardened political insider" and "wealthy buffoon" as much of a contest.
This has yet to even begin.
Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm sure he doesn't appeal to the boom-boom part of the party, plus he doesn't appear to be getting much publicity.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, and we should remember the huge lead Hillary had over Barack at about this time back in 2008 plus the leader-of-the-week situation with the Republicans then.
esmith
Veteran Member
Paul's stance on national security perceived by the Republican base after the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, whether misconstrued or not, hurt him.
Obama outmanoeuvred her in the primaries. You'll notice she is managing her current crop of "opponents for the nomination" much better. I think she got overconfident in 2008. That won't happen again.
Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I agree. Obama's team was so tech savvy that even the Pubs have used that as a model, according to what was mentioned a while back on Morning Joe.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But he really didn't seem to be going anywhere even prior to that. Maybe it's because he's not crazy enough, thus not getting much publicity. As the saying goes, "it's better to have bad publicity than none at all".
I also think Obama was exploiting a "throw the rascals out" attitude, which is now what Trump is exploiting. The problem that the RNC has is that they have been encouraging that attitude so strongly. Now Trump is using it against them. They are between a rock and a hard place.
Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Absolutely, and the high-pitched whining coming out of Fox, Limbaugh, and right-wing talk-radio have pushed the party so far to right field that then can't even see the stadium. They've created this nightmare, and now they have to live with the results-- just ask Boehner and McConnell, who are now persona non-grata within their own party.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Even before that, there was a lot of hype for him, and then it's as if it all just went *poof* and vanished in a cloud of smoke.
The real root of the problems that the RNC has is the "state of the Nation".
In 2008, the Republican party had left the country at the bottom of a deep deep hole. The economy was melting down, the federal deficit and debt skyrocketing, the Bush wars in chaos... The Dems could have elected a trained seal. Or even a young black guy named Hussein.
Now, 8 years later, about all they have to run on is having blocked Obama every chance that they got. A solid moderate might have a chance against Hillary Clinton, but the kind of candidate the TeaPartiers will nominate doesn't. And the TeaParty now runs the RNC.
Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I was on-board with ya until the end. I don't think the TP element is as strong as it was, let's say, four years ago, but it still is a major player, no doubt. It really has divided the party to the point whereas some are questioning whether the party may split into two, although I personally have strong doubts that it will. However, if there were to get shellacked in 2016, all bets are off.
Hillary is not going to be terribly popular except for her base because she's "old news" and most people want a new face. Sanders, who's my favorite, doesn't stand much of a chance, imo, and Biden also is "old news". To me, with the national mood the way it is, this might have been the best year for Elizabeth Warren to run-- a new face with no direct ties to Hillary, Biden, etc.
Hmmm....people I know who like him are outside the demographic you cite.
A more likely scenario in which he loses is that the novelty wears off.
I don't think they're important either.
But they're interesting & provocative.
I think that the TeaParty is stronger than ever. It has become inconvenient for FOX et al to recognize the beast that they created, so they are playing down the name.
I bet if Trump decided to run as "the Tea Party" candidate, he could blow up the Republican party. Because those people are still there.
Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, I can't agree with you here, as we should not confuse the TP with the "angry white male" syndrome, although some of them are TP, no doubt. However, I will definitely give you the fact that the TP still has plenty of clout.
esmith
Veteran Member
I keep hearing the "with little education" being sighted on this forum for those that support the non-liberal/progressive mandates. I was just wondering what is meant by "with little education". Now I admit that I do not have one of them thar highfaluten college degrees in Art History, Communications, Theater, Philosophy, or Creative Writing, but I know I can skin an buck, bait a hook, drive a truck, and know who Jack Daniels is. Why I'm even darn good at reloading my own ammunition for them thar semi-automatic rifles, pistols and wheel guns that I have in my arsenal . All I got is this here high school diploma. Heck I can even write a C++ source code to trouble shoot a failed component in one of them thar massively parallel computing machines. But I guess I just don't have the education it takes to be a progressive liberal.