Obama Orders Phrase ‘Under God’ to be Banned on all Government Property

[Ouroboros]

Obama Orders Phrase ‘Under God’ to be Banned on all Government Property

Really????
Freedom of religion? What did our founding fathers want?
Why did the pilgrims come to this land?
Freedom from religious persecution. NOT freedom from God.

I think it's a hoax. The first link when searching for it takes me to snopes telling me it's fake.

Do you have any references that supports this claim?

 

[Revoltingest]

But, many atheists today are not OK with it. So, it seems like a reasonable thing to do. I am not all that convinced that he is actually doing it though.

Should the wants or needs of a minority be valued?
Next thing you know gays will want to marry each oth......uh....never mind.

 

[YmirGF]

That's why it's so important, you big silly!
If Xians had to suddenly pledge allegiance to a god they don't worship,
then they too would find the matter pitchfork & torchworthy.

It's a distraction from far more important issues, Rev. Things like that massive debt y'all have accumulated, unfunded liabilities et al... You know, the boring stuff that all too few understand.

 

[columbus]

To anyone who might claim that having everyone (including heathens)
say "under God" is a minor matter, I offer this experiment....
For one week, change the pledge to say "under Allah".
Let's see if people will find this to be a deminimis imposition.

Here is an interesting hypothetical court case.
Suppose a school with a majority Muslim student body did exactly that, only permanently.
If I understand correctly there are a few in your neck of the woods. What is to stop them?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Here is an interesting hypothetical court case.
Suppose a school with a majority Muslim student body did exactly that, only permanently.
If I understand correctly there are a few in your neck of the woods. What is to stop them?
Tom

I look forward to it happening!
We only learn when there's pain (so it seems).

 

[leibowde84]

I favor keeping it where it's carved in stone (or otherwise quite permanent) as an historical relic.
But ditch it elsewhere, eg, the Pledge Of Allegiance, swearing in court, oaths of office, money.

I agree, and I've yet to really hear a valid argument against this.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Why did the pilgrims come to this land?

Because efficient English gentlemen had a good clear-out. The religious eccentrics were sent to America, and the convicts to Australia. I think the Duke of Wellington organised it, or it might have been Lawrence of Arabia.

 

[columbus]

Why did the pilgrims come to this land?
Freedom from religious persecution.

To be a little more honest, they came largely so that they could be the persecuters instead of the persecuted.
Tom

 

[Nietzsche]

And that is only part of the story

The Pledge was originally written by a man named Bellamy. He published it in a magazine for youth, sort of aimed at Scouting aged people. This was in 1898, IIRC.
He intended it to be a unifying pledge. This was in a time when the USA was still suffering from bitter resentments over the Civil War. Bellamy specifically meant it to be recited by youngsters from ANY republic, there was no mention of the USA or god. He fought the hijacking of his work, when the U.S. government took it and inserted USA, arguing that restricting it violated the basic spirit of his intentions of inclusivity. But to no avail.
He was dead by the 50s, but I'm sure he rolled over in his grave when the McCarthyism people added "under God" . They were intentionally making it yet more divisive. They wanted to draw a line between "good people " and "godless commies ".

I despise the pledge because what it represents. It represents coopting a symbol of inclusivity and using it to lie.
Tom

Don't forget, Francis Bellamy was a Christian Socialist, too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Really????
Freedom of religion? What did our founding fathers want?
Why did the pilgrims come to this land?
Freedom from religious persecution. NOT freedom from God.

"Make no laws respecting the establishment of religion" sure sounds an awful like freedom from god to me. And phrases like "under god" and "in god we trust" we not put there by the Founding Fathers. And who cares why the pilgrims came here? They weren't liked in England (It's possible Milton referenced that people thought they were crazy in Paradise Lost), and we aren't governed by the Mayflower Compact.
The story just isn't true.

Snopes is notoriously liberal.

That's not true. They are accused of it, and even sometimes of having a Conservative bias. They are also not funded by Soros, or any political groups/individuals.

Snopes isn't anymore reliable than any other news source with a political bent.

Snopes is actually a very well researched and reliable source, and they even cite their sources. The Snopes article referenced even links to all of Obama's executive orders, memorandum, and proclamations.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And that is only part of the story

The Pledge was originally written by a man named Bellamy. He published it in a magazine for youth, sort of aimed at Scouting aged people. This was in 1898, IIRC.
He intended it to be a unifying pledge. This was in a time when the USA was still suffering from bitter resentments over the Civil War. Bellamy specifically meant it to be recited by youngsters from ANY republic, there was no mention of the USA or god. He fought the hijacking of his work, when the U.S. government took it and inserted USA, arguing that restricting it violated the basic spirit of his intentions of inclusivity. But to no avail.
He was dead by the 50s, but I'm sure he rolled over in his grave when the McCarthyism people added "under God" . They were intentionally making it yet more divisive. They wanted to draw a line between "good people " and "godless commies ".

I despise the pledge because what it represents. It represents coopting a symbol of inclusivity and using it to lie.
Tom

Wow. I wonder if Militants know this and how they would feel about it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am not well-versed in my history, but didn't the protestants come over here from Britain when they broke from the Church? They set up Christian values and ways of life... if that's true, then what caused the separation between "Christianity and Government"? I mean, we have separation from Church and State (Supposedly but that isn't true) but if "no establishment of religion thereof" was referring to separating themselves from the Church, that wouldn't mean that religion shouldn't have an influence in a general sense of the word given the above.

Or am I completely off in my theory?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Or am I completely off in my theory?

It was the Puritans who came over here due to political tensions in England after Charles I dissolved the Parliament - this was after England broke away from Catholicism to form the Church of England, and many more groups, including the Calvinist Puritans, had themselves separated themselves from the Church of England. They came here not to establish religious tolerance, to but form their own theocracy and run the show as they see fit.
Later on, when the Constitution was being written, the idea was that by keeping the Church and State separate, not only do you prevent all the wars and fighting that plagued Europe over the church and state being merged, you maximize and preserve the right to freedom of religion by keeping the state free of religion. Many, such as James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, also expressed that both prosper more when the two are separated.

 

[tytlyf]

And liberal media sources aren't biased?????????????????????????????
Really?

No such thing as liberal media. Another lie told to you by conservative media. Most media is moderate, which is why republicans and democrats watch it. Bias is everywhere, Fox is the most biased on TV. But no one lies and deceives like conservative media.

 

[Revoltingest]

No such thing as liberal media. Another lie told to you by conservative media. Most media is moderate, which is why republicans and democrats watch it. Bias is everywhere, Fox is the most biased on TV. But no one lies and deceives like conservative media.

There are no "liberal" media, but there are "conservative" media.
Got it!
I wonder why liberals don't use the conservative tactic of having some media under their wing?
Are they too virtuous or just not that bright?

Btw, we don't have "libertarian" media because we're just too incompetent.

 

[fantome profane]

Obama Orders Phrase ‘Under God’ to be Banned on all Government Property

Really????
Freedom of religion? What did our founding fathers want?
Why did the pilgrims come to this land?
Freedom from religious persecution. NOT freedom from God.

April Fools!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No such thing as liberal media.

I would definitely call things like the Colbert Report a piece of liberal media. Even Jon Stewart stated, on air, he has a bias towards Democrats.

Btw, we don't have "libertarian" media because we're just too incompetent.

You guys have the Cato Institute.

 

[columbus]

I wonder why liberals don't use the conservative tactic of having some media under their wing?
Are they too virtuous or just not that bright?

Because the liberals are as incompetent as libertarians and even more ideologically scattered.
It is just about impossible to coddle every version of victimhood at the same time.
Tom

 

[jeager106]

http://www.constitution-billofright...rst-amendment/separation-of-church-and-state/

Read this if ya likes.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[jeager106]

I wish it were true. It would be a great thing. I have no doubt that God would be want to be associated with our government or any government at all. They should references to Him. They also should stop the practice of swearing on Bibles or other religious texts. Probably should away with swearing oaths altogether. It's rather pointless, anyway.

I served over 22 years as a police officer.
I don't recall when but courts stopped using the Bible to swear in witnesses long ago.

Don't for a moment think that I EVER lied on the witness stand!!!!

OF COURSE I DID!
Are people still living in a fantasy land world??????????????

Well that depends upon what your definition of a lie is???
Like "that depends upon what your definition of "is" is." Bill Clinton quote.

But to deliberately lie to FRAME someone???
R U kidding me?
I have a clean conscious and sleep just fine at night.
I've seen plenty of guilty s.o.b.'s walk because I would NOT load the evidence.

I recall when one of our officers shot a fleeing unarmed rapist in the leg late one
night.
Come morning we "found" 7 knives and 2 pistols in the bushes implying the rapist
was indeed armed.
How'd that happen???