Obama versus Trump responding to school shootings

[idav]

If you ask the wrong people, you get the wrong answer.
It's like the scientific method. Some might say....
"First you must deny God...."
Ask only people who know guns.
I recommend @esmith.

I’m pretty sure everyone knows what semi automatic means despite the lectures I have seen. I could be wrong but “semi” and “automatic” seem self explanatory to me.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m pretty sure everyone knows what semi automatic means despite the lectures I have seen. I could be wrong but “semi” and “automatic” seem self explanatory to me.

"Semi auto" appears to be one of the few properly understood terms.
"Auto" is too often confused with "semi auto".

 

[socharlie]

You've gotta be kidding. Please tell us "yes".

I am not kidding, sorry, you can not see how psychopaths work.
Huge profit on guns and government fees, taxes on millions of guns - that was a side effect, always, They know it.

 

[idav]

I am not kidding, sorry, you can not see how psychopaths work.
Huge profit on guns and government fees, taxes on millions of guns - that was a side effect, always, They know it.

Now with doing nothing, the side effect is NRA losing endorsements. Such is life. Countries that do something about it have had positive results.

 

[socharlie]

Says the same person that “doesn’t believe the numbers”. You mean you only believe numbers that fit your agenda. Not to worry people are having the opposite reaction with a gun advocate in office, go figure.

how much experience do you need to come to that conclusion, I know that system work to divide people, on the high level they have no concern how many die, some of them are strong supporters of eugenics and that adds up to what they do.

 

[socharlie]

Now with doing nothing, the side effect is NRA losing endorsements. Such is life. Countries that do something about it have had positive results.

NRA is nothing. Millions guns are out. Bad people always will have weapon to do crime. Gun control is a lie, it would not stop a criminal.

 

[metis]

I am not kidding, sorry, you can not see how psychopaths work.

All societies have psychopaths, but our society has mass killings like no other industrialized country.

The NRA has tried to stop most attempts at restrictions and reforms because they have a lot of $ and power that they can make and bribe officials with.

So, I am not kidding when I pose to you, which is more important, the safety of our children or having almost one gun for every man, woman, and child in the States today? This is a real choice, so do you picture Jesus with an AR-15 or not? And if not, then what's the appropriate response that maybe we should have?

IOW, are you "pro-life" or "pro-gun", because study after study has shown that more guns with fewer restrictions equals more deaths? To have more guns and somehow think that this will lead to less deaths is like having more cars and believing there will be fewer accidents.

 

[metis]

Bad people always will have weapon to do crime. Gun control is a lie, it would not stop a criminal.

That's why you pass laws that give anyone caught with an illegal gun up to 10 years in prison on that charge alone, much like the Brits and French did starting in the 1950's that dramatically brought their violent crime rate down. Now they have only a fraction of our homicide rate. If a person has an illegal gun, I think we can assume that they're probably up to no good.

 

[idav]

NRA is nothing. Millions guns are out. Bad people always will have weapon to do crime. Gun control is a lie, it would not stop a criminal.

Saying there will always be crime doesn't make your claim that "gun control is a lie" to be truth.

 

[socharlie]

Saying there will always be crime doesn't make your claim that "gun control is a lie" to be truth.

no point to argue - just let us observe.

 

[socharlie]

That's why you pass laws that give anyone caught with an illegal gun up to 10 years in prison on that charge alone, much like the Brits and French did starting in the 1950's that dramatically brought their violent crime rate down. Now they have only a fraction of our homicide rate. If a person has an illegal gun, I think we can assume that they're probably up to no good.

US has more prisoners than the rest of the world combined.
Now pot petty prisoners are out , room is available for gun related prisoners. Lol. War on drugs or alcohol did not teach us anything.
Our government (mind control) wants mayhem and the best way is to divide people by whatever means they have - Problem Reaction, Solution.

 

[oldbadger]

Only when paid (sexton job while in school),
or when the go club met there.

Everyone calls me a coward.
And I get regular PMs from a special poster.

It takes a real moron to call another a coward. Whoever called you that is a twot.
But I have noticed that in gun debates on rf that the more nutty gun nuts do tend to believe that gunsense members are weedy weeny wimpy wimbles.

Gunsense has nothing to do with ginseng or insense, although I could do with one of those.

 

[Revoltingest]

It takes a real moron to call another a coward. Whoever called you that is a twot.
But I have noticed that in gun debates on rf that the more nutty gun nuts do tend to believe that gunsense members are weedy weeny wimpy wimbles.

Gunsense has nothing to do with ginseng or insense, although I could do with one of those.

Well, I don't have harsh words for posters holding such opinions.
Theirs is a difficult path, & not one I'd want to worsen.

 

[tytlyf]

Who cares. Obama knew exactly how to boost gun sales.

Obama boosted gun sales on his own? Wow. Amazing. Or the usual RW suspects propagandized their audience and scared them? Obama didn't do anything, the NRA frightened people with wild conspiracy theories and they believed it.

 

[metis]

US has more prisoners than the rest of the world combined

False, as we have 1/4 of them, which is still way too high.

Now pot petty prisoners are out , room is available for gun related prisoners. Lol.

It's "interesting" that you think such life-threatening situations are so funny, whereas I have doubts Jesus would support your rather cavalier attitude defending guns at the expense of innocent people.

BTW, we still got plenty of "pot petty prisoners" still in prison.

War on drugs or alcohol did not teach us anything.

What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about? All I see you spouting is nothing short of sheer nonsense based on ignorance of the subject. Aren't you even aware of why so many cities have had gun buy-back programs and why so many police departments have said that the guns they're facing are too powerful and too many? There are ways of dealing with this that we well know work because they've been used.

Our government (mind control) wants mayhem and the best way is to divide people by whatever means they have - Problem Reaction, Solution.

If it's that bad here, why don't you pick up your family and leave? We almost did in the early 70's.

BTW. I'm trying to find anything "Christian" about your position on guns but am having no success. To me, I'm getting the strong impression that you favor guns over people, including our children. And frankly, I don't think Jesus would likely approve of your behavior on this. Do I really have to give you some proof? If so, just let me know.

This is very much a moral issue and not a just a political one, and this is a website named "Religious Forums", just to remind you.

 

[esmith]

That's why you pass laws that give anyone caught with an illegal gun up to 10 years in prison on that charge alone, much like the Brits and French did starting in the 1950's that dramatically brought their violent crime rate down. Now they have only a fraction of our homicide rate. If a person has an illegal gun, I think we can assume that they're probably up to no good.

Hmmm...interesting reading don't you think.
The Worst Gun Control Idea Has Bipartisan Support

 

[socharlie]

False, as we have 1/4 of them, which is still way too high.

It's "interesting" that you think such life-threatening situations are so funny, whereas I have doubts Jesus would support your rather cavalier attitude defending guns at the expense of innocent people.

BTW, we still got plenty of "pot petty prisoners" still in prison.

What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about? All I see you spouting is nothing short of sheer nonsense based on ignorance of the subject. Aren't you even aware of why so many cities have had gun buy-back programs and why so many police departments have said that the guns they're facing are too powerful and too many? There are ways of dealing with this that we well know work because they've been used.

If it's that bad here, why don't you pick up your family and leave? We almost did in the early 70's.

BTW. I'm trying to find anything "Christian" about your position on guns but am having no success. To me, I'm getting the strong impression that you favor guns over people, including our children. And frankly, I don't think Jesus would likely approve of your behavior on this. Do I really have to give you some proof? If so, just let me know.

This is very much a moral issue and not a just a political one, and this is a website named "Religious Forums", just to remind you.

I already lived in worse place than this, and I do not want this place resemble my old country, I do want this place to be happy and prosper without war.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

But the big difference is that President Obama did not need a cheat sheet to tell him how to talk with victims. His heart was in the right place.

Also, Obama did push for gun control much more during his second term. People like to point to stuff that happened early on in his first term, which was after Bush left office. The new president usually sees fit to leave most of the previous administration's policy in place for a time. How much of this like sale of weapons can be attributed to Obama, and how much to already existing gov policy?

Most presidents are not like Donald, and don't go into the oval office with a stiffy to start flexing their power.

In fact, Donald doesn't seem to at all mind destabilizing government by implementing almost immediate changes.

 

[socharlie]

Obama boosted gun sales on his own? Wow. Amazing. Or the usual RW suspects propagandized their audience and scared them? Obama didn't do anything, the NRA frightened people with wild conspiracy theories and they believed it.

taste the pudding.

 

[sun rise]

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but a great many people are lobbying to take AR15s away.
Their reason....
"They're so scary looking! And black! No one needs a scary looking black gun!"

Btw, I got my quote where you got yours.
(We got the toofer one deal.)

Wrong wrong and again wrong about why. But you appear to be one who is happy to allow the mentally ill and the terrorists to have weapons of that kind.