Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

[DallasApple]

I`d have to qualify that statement Dallas.

When your president fails at something like getting the Olympics to your nation it is foolish to be happy about since getting the Olympics is a positive thing for the country.

If your president should fail at pushing the Patriot Act through congress I think that warrants a little joy and or celebration since it`s not a "good" thing at all.

I unfortunately never got that joy or celebration.
Oh well.

Thats why I clarified with I suppose what it is.

Cheering gleefully that he failed at winning the Olympic bid can only be sheer hatred at HIM. Not at what he was aiming for that you disagree with.

And the relentless mockign of him for winning the Nobel prize when he had nothing to do with it can only be the same thing.

What is it going to HURT YOU or ME if he has that award?The level of anger and disgust is well out of proportion with what we are talking about even if you disagree he deserves it.

How can it HURT our country for Obama to win that honor?The rest of the world for the most part dont seem to be holding the opinion that its a grave error and a horrible injustice smearing the name Nobel.

Its almost like people are jealous or something.

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

There were far more deserving people and a lot of folks are being premature.

Premature is one thing.I just dont think it requires the LEVEL of disgust over it going on .

Love

Dallas

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

********.

I've detailed for everyone many of the problems with Obama's administration and addressed the reasons you finally scraped together. That you failed to even get it right when you said the administration scrapped the missile defense system in Turkey, rather than what actually happened, only shows your spouting off about things this American shows more knowledge and understanding of. That you were also quick to slam Americans down shows the only prejudice revealed in this thread.

I'm amazed by the people upset that the Nobel committee is taking heat over this but cannot provide their own reasoning. Cannot even think for themselves and show their own knowledge.

That's what this is about. People will forget about this whole thing by year's end or at least by the time awards are handed out next year.

How about people take some time to actually brush up on the administration's position on those issues I brought up. What do people know about our policies with the Americas? What about Plan Colombia? Does a small overture to Cuba really balance against the continuation of failed foreign drug policies?

It's quite evident that the award was granted upon perceptions, rhetoric and what people hope Obama will achieve.

Rachel Maddow is another talking head who offered up just enough wisdom to flush down the toilet. I can't believe she actually used those examples. How stupid are people going to be over this.

I'll side with Obama on this one. There were far more deserving people and a lot of folks are being premature.

Why don't you just admit that you don't like Obama
his party or what he stands for.

You are disgusted that the rest of the world has so much time for him and wishes him well.

You should be awarded the ODS medal of honour, it has been well justified in this thread.

 

[gnomon]

Why don't you just admit that you don't like Obama
his party or what he stands for.

You are disgusted that the rest of the world has so much time for him and wishes him well.

You should be awarded the ODS medal of honour, it has been well justified in this thread.

Why?

Because I actually tried to provide evidence.

This is the most indicative problem with this forum. The number of members who actually refuse to provide evidence for their claims. Actually learning something about what they are talking about before mouthing off.

And that you, in your first post, generalized an entire continent of people, actually two continents, and get twisted when I called you out on it have now devolved into banality.

I'll just have to remember this. Asking people to actually evidence there arguments on this forum is next to a waste of time.

So let me engage you on your intellectual grounds Terry:
I know you are but what am I?

edit: And yes, that's pretty much the end of my participation in this thread. Think I'll go engage FFH rather than waste any more time.

 

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[Poisonshady313]

He has re-engaged the USA in the work of the UN
He has persuaded China to support resolutions over Iran.
He has persuaded Russia to start dialog over defense matters involving the middle east, by withdrawing the threat of the Bush proposed defense shield in Turkey. Russia at last sees that they have a common interest in this matter with the USA

He has acknowledged and discussed the interdependence of the USA with the rest of the world on both energy recourses and global warming.

He has also made it clear to Israel that it can no longer expect unthinking support for its policies on the left bank.

All five of these are unique achievements for an American president, in recent times.
And represent a sea change in American policy.

Would you say that these things mean that Obama has "conferred the greatest benefit on mankind?"

Does this list of yours qualify Obama as "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses?"

 

[kai]

He has re-engaged the USA in the work of the UN The US was already working with the UN
He has persuaded China to support resolutions over Iran.
A lot of talk but China will not support sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/world/asia/25beijing.html

He has persuaded Russia to start dialog over defense matters involving the middle east, by withdrawing the threat of the Bush proposed defense shield in Turkey. Russia at last sees that they have a common interest in this matter with the USA So he backed down to Russian pressure in the region!

He has acknowledged and discussed the interdependence of the USA with the rest of the world on both energy recourses and global warming. He is good talker i give you that

He has also made it clear to Israel that it can no longer expect unthinking support for its policies on the left bank. Has Israel really had unthinking support?

All five of these are unique achievements for an American president, in recent times.
And represent a sea change in American policy.

Read through my back posts and you will find out.

You must remember most Americans are not interested in world affairs, so little is reported in the home media.

Bush never knew where even the leading countries were, or which leader belonged to which. It was like he was proud of his ignorance.

You are clearly suffering from ODS

i am sorry Terry but i dont see anything Unique in these that warrant a peace prize these are baby steps on each issue. I am not sure what ODS is but what i m sure is this euphoria is ODD.

 

[Sententia]

Where? When? working towards Peace with who?

I feel the answer to that is obvious to those that look but its not the point I was going for.

I didn't give Obama the Nobel Peace prize nor did you. The fact that my president received it is a moment I should congratulate him on. Or we could go to the other spectrum... ***... Seriously? What did POTUS do? Not be George Bush?

Sounds fun for SNL or Comedy Central. But the president of my country just won the Nobel peace prize. Congratulations seems in order. Even John McCain congratulated Obama on the win. Granted you are not the only one asking questions. (And its not just americans, even former winners of the nobel prize are shocked. (former Polish President Lech Walesa))

To me though, a mere american citizen, it seems odd... Is this really the first time you heard that he might win? He was nominated. So how did that process work? Someone and more likely many people nominated him... A bunch of other people were also nominated. Some people... (How many is it really 5?) Reviewed the nominations and decided to award it to Obama.

Then others hear about it and what? Time to ***** he is not worthy? He was nominated. And the judges declared him winner. If you were on the award council maybe you would have voted differently. (And I am imagining by your responses so far that is a given) But so what. You were neither privileged to nominate nor to judge. The only thing you have left is response. And based on what. Are you aware of all the other nominees? (there were just over 200) Do you know enough about every single nominee to insure that Obama was the wrong call? What did the committee say?

The Norwegian Nobel Committee cited the 48-year-old president's creation of a "new climate in international politics" and his work on nuclear disarmament. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population," the committee said.

Quite controversial eh? I think its great he won. He believes in peace and though his presidency is new he has always believed in peace. (So far as I can gather) Do I consider him the jesus of america? By no means. But he does seems to want better. (And on public healthcare his minimization and waffling have annoyed no others probably more then me in terms of the public option) But this is not about healthcare in america. Its the nobel peace prize. Think outside your box and consider of the nominations the few that actually decided chose him. Perhaps you dont agree... but the people who nominated him and the people that said yep... hes the winner do agree...

Too early? Who knows even what that means. Bottom line. POTUS won Nobel Peace Prize before he has completed even 1 year in office. Congratulations. At least from me.

 

[kai]

I dont care that he has won it, but why did he win it? maybe he is asking the same question , if i was him i would find it all a little embarrasing. i just dont get it. and to be honest it makes me think it was just another fawning over an tested president everyones riding around on the crest of a wave that has yet to break.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee cited the 48-year-old president's creation of a "new climate in international politics" and his work on nuclear disarmament. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population," the committee said.

well thats hardly unique is it?



I like the Guy but i have no idea how the next few years are going to pan out and if he come up trumps then thats the time to pat him on the back. and we are all entitled to judge and have an opinion heres mine: If it has any value Its premature. i dont think he won it. they just gave it to him.which i feel is a bit of a shame really.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Would you say that these things mean that Obama has "conferred the greatest benefit on mankind?"

I have never said that nor is it true. so why ask the question?

Does this list of yours qualify Obama as "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses?"

Why be selective?
we never are told the details of the reasoning behind why the committee give a particular peace award.
However, looking back at the past recipients they seem to have a very high hit rate.
I expect no different for Obama.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

i am sorry Terry but i dont see anything Unique in these that warrant a peace prize these are baby steps on each issue. I am not sure what ODS is but what i m sure is this euphoria is ODD.

I hear you ...
I have already given my reasons, repetition becomes tedious.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

well thats hardly unique is it?

If it is new it is unique...

If it has any value Its premature.

A fairly large proportion of peace prizes have been awarded before the recipients work has come to fruition. Some have later died in the attempt and failed.

Very few awards have been made for final accomplishment.

This seems to be the nature of the award.

 

[kai]

If it is new it is unique...
so whats new? are you seriously telling me Obama is doing something never done before?


A fairly large proportion of peace prizes have been awarded before the recipients work has come to fruition. Some have later died in the attempt and failed.

Very few awards have been made for final accomplishment. do you have a similar award i can refer to?

This seems to be the nature of the award.

really?


He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.


"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said. "Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"

maybe he should look around and find out.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irLyPrFK_rtRwMOsfjRBFjGDVZCgD9BAPJ481

 

[Kathryn]

Word just in!

Obama wins Heisman!

While on his way to the airport, Obama nets NASCAR win!

And the Stanley Cup...

After running the ball a brazillion yards, Obama takes the Kenyan Kreoles to a Superbowl victory!

While bicycling on the White House grounds, Obama accidently wins the Tour de France!

Move over, bearded guy - Obama Coolio captures a Grammy!

And the ultimate victory, Obama is crowned Grand Wizard of Elks Lodge #47 in Akron, Ohio.

 

[kai]

Word just in!

Obama wins Heisman!

While on his way to the airport, Obama nets NASCAR win!

And the Stanley Cup...

After running the ball a brazillion yards, Obama takes the Kenyan Kreoles to a Superbowl victory!

While bicycling on the White House grounds, Obama accidently wins the Tour de France!

Move over, bearded guy - Obama Coolio captures a Grammy!

And the ultimate victory, Obama is crowned Grand Wizard of Elks Lodge #47 in Akron, Ohio.

well he can have them now because he might do.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The Norwegian Nobel Committee cited the 48-year-old president's creation of a "new climate in international politics" and his work on nuclear disarmament. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population," the committee said.

well thats hardly unique is it?

Originally Posted by kai
well thats hardly unique is it?

If it is new it is unique...

Does that help.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

really?

Very few awards have been made for final accomplishment. do you have a similar award i can refer to?


Try....
20001 no special citation went to UN
2002-2003 For effort...
2004 for contribution...
2005 for effort...
2006 for effort...
2007 for effort...
2008 for effort...
2009 Obama For effort...

You will find the full list here Winners of the Nobel Peace Prize
You will notice they ar rarely if ever for final achievment,
as I noted in my previous post.
Except where it is for a lifetime effort no time period is mentioned.

It is always awarded for the effort and the attempt not the final result.

 

[YmirGF]

It is always awarded for the effort and the attempt not the final result.

It's nice to see you have the bar set so incredibly low, Terry.

 

[JMorris]

Very few awards have been made for final accomplishment. do you have a similar award i can refer to?


Try....
20001 no special citation went to UN
2002-2003 For effort...
2004 for contribution...
2005 for effort...
2006 for effort...
2007 for effort...
2008 for effort...
2009 Obama For effort...

You will find the full list here Winners of the Nobel Peace Prize
You will notice they ar rarely if ever for final achievment,
as I noted in my previous post.
Except where it is for a lifetime effort no time period is mentioned.

It is always awarded for the effort and the attempt not the final result.

so no one actually accomplishes any peace?

.........well atleast they tried

why not change the name of the award to "Nobel Attempted Peace Prize"? its like the purple ribbon they give to the kids that come in 7th place in the race.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's nice to see you have the bar set so incredibly low, Terry.

I have no influence on setting the bar at all.

However some "efforts" have cost the winners their lives and liberty.