I begin to think the premise of my joke is erroneous.
Just ignore me! Move on people! Nothing here to see!
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Obamacare bailout? Already?
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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Just ignore me! Move on people! Nothing here to see!
esmith
Veteran Member
I may be wrong (at least usually consider wrong here) but wasn't the reason the Dems pushed Obamacare was to insure that every citizen in the US had health-care coverage. If the figures are correct there were approximately 30 million (12.9%) uninsured in 1987 and rose to approximately 48 million (15.4%) in 2012. (Note % of population). In 2012 approximately 263 million (84%) had insurance. Of course some of these insurance policies were considered worthless according to some. Now after (if) Obamacare survives there will still be approximately 26-30 million uninsured. So it appears that Obamacare has managed to increased the number of insured by 18-22 million (5-7%). Now one might ask what are the ages of those that will not be insured? Well it appears that the greatest majority by far are in the 18-44 age bracket. Hmmm where have I heard that age bracket before? Oh that's right those are the ones Obamacare is counting on to carry the load. Now one must ask this question. Is Obamacare worth it and if so at what cost to the country.
If Congress had been smart(?) they would have looked at a plan to help the previously uninsured to obtain a affordable health-care package vice turning the country upside down.
Note: reference material was from:
48 Million Americans Are Uninsured Ahead Of Obamacare Changes
Obamacare leaves millions uninsured. Here’s who they are.
If Congress had been smart(?) they would have looked at a plan to help the previously uninsured to obtain a affordable health-care package vice turning the country upside down.
Note: reference material was from:
48 Million Americans Are Uninsured Ahead Of Obamacare Changes
Obamacare leaves millions uninsured. Here’s who they are.
Don't ya think its a bit early to be declaring this? I mean the open enrollment period is not even over yet.
McBell
Unbound
Some people are not the least bit interested in truth or facts...
esmith
Veteran Member
No, the CBO has stated the facts. Are you dismissing their data?
CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured | CNS News
dust1n
Zindīq
Where in the 21 pages is the answer to my question?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
But, see, the insurance companies who are now being bankrolled by the public got their millions through a good work ethic, and all the young whiny kids who have it so much easier nowadays just need to stop spending on cell phones and internet use and go start digging holes. They shouldn't be complaining about how tough they have it - we're the best nation in the world with our freedoms! So, stop complaining kiddos. Start digging!
Or wait, I have an even better idea, y'all....let's go start another war with a nation to steal their resources and recruit those young men and women who can't find any other job, pay them a pittance and put them and their young families on a paycheck to where they need government assistance, and tell them to be willing to give up their life defending the Constitution even though the nation isn't under any attack. Then they can have all the free healthcare they want through TRICARE. But we won't call it a single payer system since these folks deserve it more than citizens.
But that's okay. I love the fact that our tax dollars are funding the fat cats of the insurance companies, Big Pharmaceutical companies, and Halliburton, paying off our politicians to continue the loop of their bastardization of the welfare programs set in place, and then send 25% of our veterans on to the street into homelessness and untreated mental illness after being used and abused. Call them heroes - they'll understand and forget about their plight.
Oh, and insurance companies and the White House can kiss my ***. (I'm just full of cynical sarcasm today, aren't I)
Awesome.....:clap
Today, #1 son has health insurance. The explanation they gave was that people who signed up from Dec 18-20 for the Blue Care Select Silver Plan suffered some glitch which prevented enrollment. Interesting aspect of his vision plan: He isn't eligible for it because he's too old (26).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Too old for vision coverage? You would think something like that would be covered. Wonder why age is a factor pertaining to vision?
For some odd reason, his plan covers only 19 years olds & younger.
I wonder if his dental plan excludes coverage of teeth?
Anyway, I'm having great fun saying "I told you so" to friends who insisted that being
a community organizer is sufficient management experience to become prez.
esmith
Veteran Member
It seems that the "back-end" of the healthcare.gov isn't even completed. This is the system that pays insurance companies the subsidies for individuals. Seems no one knows when it will be completed and insurance companies are being asked to calculate on their own what they are owed and the government will send them the money. The first payments are scheduled to go out in the next couple of weeks. Ah the wonders of big government.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Some seem to forget that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicare Plan D all got off to a bad start as well, plus the doomsdayers all had a field day with their sky-is-falling criticisms. The ACA is a "work in progress" as the others were. The problem with those that are selfish on the right is that they mostly have insurance and don't have enough basic compassion to want to extend it to others less fortunate, as they value their "hard-earned money" over the well-being of other Americans. If they really cared, they would be working with those who are trying to find a way to do this as efficiently and fairly as possible. However, ...
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
The ones you hear complaining so loudest these days are getting some sort of government subsidy themselves....Some realize it and still complain about others and some are completely oblivious to how much their lives are being subsidized by local or federal governments....
tytlyf
Not Religious
Stop posting lame sources. You didn't even read the article.
Estimated 30 million will be uninsured in 2022. Down from 56 million today. So what's your point?
Propaganda outlets know their audience well and they just do drive-by's on the headline only. I'm willing to bet money that esmith doesn't even know what the 30 million is even referring to.
I like how the headline leaves out context and assumes this is some negative thing happening immediately.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obamacare-will-leave-30-million-uninsured#sthash.AiX23gt0.dpuf
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Much like Paul Ryan, who opposes "big government" but then had to admit that his own family when growing up was on a government subsidy. Or like in a different area, Dick Cheney opposing same-sex marriage-- until his one daughter was gay and married another woman. How many times have we seen such hypocrisy?
Dick was pro-gay marriage before Obama "evolved" on the issue though.
Speaking of hypocrisy, some media definitions regarding changing one's position:
Flip flop: When a Republican evolves.
Evolve: When a Democrat flip flops.
Ya know what's so fun about hypocrisy?
It can be found everywhere.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well:
Former Vice President Dick Cheney has revealed that although he has long been a supporter of same-sex marriage, he did not speak out in support of the issue during the 2000 presidential campaign because it could have harmed former President George W. Bush's chances of winning.
When asked why he did not make a case for same-sex marriage during an interview by ABC News, he said that "it wouldn't have done much good and probably would have sunk President George W. Bush's prospects for office," The Associated Press reported.
Cheney has been a supporter of same-sex marriage ever since it was revealed that his daughter, Mary, is a lesbian. She married her longtime partner last month. -- Dick Cheney Admits Politics Prevented Him From Supporting Gay Marriage
Former Vice President Dick Cheney has revealed that although he has long been a supporter of same-sex marriage, he did not speak out in support of the issue during the 2000 presidential campaign because it could have harmed former President George W. Bush's chances of winning.
When asked why he did not make a case for same-sex marriage during an interview by ABC News, he said that "it wouldn't have done much good and probably would have sunk President George W. Bush's prospects for office," The Associated Press reported.
Cheney has been a supporter of same-sex marriage ever since it was revealed that his daughter, Mary, is a lesbian. She married her longtime partner last month. -- Dick Cheney Admits Politics Prevented Him From Supporting Gay Marriage
Cheney is a savy politician.
Whoda thunk that?
But ya know, his pro-gay marriage stance goes back farther than I knew.
He seems a pretty decent guy compared to Dems like Clinton & Obama who actually worked against it.