Obamacare bailout? Already?

[Dirty Penguin]

Much like Paul Ryan, who opposes "big government" but then had to admit that his own family when growing up was on a government subsidy. Or like in a different area, Dick Cheney opposing same-sex marriage-- until his one daughter was gay and married another woman. How many times have we seen such hypocrisy?

Exactly....Paul Ryan and many other republicans love to complain about the president's stimulus but many of them were front and center with their hands out begging for a piece of the pie and got it too....to the tune of thens of millions.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Well:

Former Vice President Dick Cheney has revealed that although he has long been a supporter of same-sex marriage, he did not speak out in support of the issue during the 2000 presidential campaign because it could have harmed former President George W. Bush's chances of winning.

When asked why he did not make a case for same-sex marriage during an interview by ABC News, he said that "it wouldn't have done much good and probably would have sunk President George W. Bush's prospects for office," The Associated Press reported.

Cheney has been a supporter of same-sex marriage ever since it was revealed that his daughter, Mary, is a lesbian. She married her longtime partner last month. -- Dick Cheney Admits Politics Prevented Him From Supporting Gay Marriage

Obama came out in support of it during his re-election and we all know how that election turned out. Cheney stayed away from the subject during the first and the second Bush election because for them in that party it would have been political suicide. People in this country are more Progressive and liberal on the issue.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Question, since this hasn't answered any of the provided materials: Are 30 million "left uninsured," or are 30 million people choosing not to get insurance still? What's the reasoning behind the 30 million not having insurance?

Lack of money perhaps? Even if you could pony up the funds to purchase a policy, what good would come from paying thousands a year for a high deductable policy when you are a healthy person and would have to spend additional money for your health care anyway?

 

[Alceste]

While I fully agree that we should have universal healthcare, Obamacare was not the way to do it. Extending Medicare would have been a good first step. But the OP, if true, doesn't surprise me. Obamacare was a mess from the start (hey, I agree with Rev Rick for once ). As far as Obamacare goes, there's no reason to blame the Republicans- I just wish they would come up with their own plan for universal healthcare, and for that, they can be blamed. So it really is both sides' fault.

The ACA is not a "universal health care act." Nothing like one. It's a few minor amendments to the existing system, disincentives for remaining uninsured, an expansion of eligibility for existing government programs, and a new government service to help citizens comparison shop for a plan.

A universal health care plan would guarantee all citizens medically necessary health care from the cradle to the grave for no cost at the point of service. The Democrats actually have one of those sitting on a shelf that hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of being passed in the US at this time. I've read it, years ago. I'll see if I can find it so you can see what universal health care actually looks like.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The ACA is not a "universal health care act." Nothing like one. It's a few minor amendments to the existing system, disincentives for remaining uninsured, an expansion of eligibility for existing government programs, and a new government service to help citizens comparison shop for a plan.

A universal health care plan would guarantee all citizens medically necessary health care from the cradle to the grave for no cost at the point of service. The Democrats actually have one of those sitting on a shelf that hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of being passed in the US at this time. I've read it, years ago. I'll see if I can find it so you can see what universal health care actually looks like.

Yep...I think we modelled it after Canada and other countries. This idea from Democrats go way back. I either in the thread or another posted part of a speech from Kennedy where way back in the early 60s he talked about if this country. I'm thoroughly convinced his progressive agenda is what got him killed.

 

[Alceste]

Yep...I think we modelled it after Canada and other countries. This idea from Democrats go way back. I either in the thread or another posted part of a speech from Kennedy where way back in the early 60s he talked about if this country. I'm thoroughly convinced his progressive agenda is what got him killed.

Wouldn't surprise me. Assassinating influential progressives was all the rage back then.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep...I think we modelled it after Canada and other countries. This idea from Democrats go way back. I either in the thread or another posted part of a speech from Kennedy where way back in the early 60s he talked about if this country. I'm thoroughly convinced his progressive agenda is what got him killed.

Unless you buy into one of the stranger conspiracy theories, Lee Harvey Oswald is the one who assassinated Kennedy.
From the Warren Commission....

He sought for himself a place in history—a role as the "great man" who would be recognized as having been in advance of his times. His commitment to Marxism and communism appears to have been another important factor in his motivation.

It seems quite likely that Kennedy's murderer was even more progressive than Kennedy.

 

[dust1n]

Lack of money perhaps? Even if you could pony up the funds to purchase a policy, what good would come from paying thousands a year for a high deductable policy when you are a healthy person and would have to spend additional money for your health care anyway?

I'm sure that does constitute a sizable portion. Thanks.

I was hoping to find some accounting for it in the research though. Didn't see anything mentioned.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Unless you buy into one of the stranger conspiracy theories, Lee Harvey Oswald is the one who assassinated Kennedy.
From the Warren Commission....

History says Oswald killed him....OK...

I wasn't talking about who killed him or if there were more than one killer. That's for others to decide. I was talking about a possible reason for his murder. In the early 60's, I believe a year before he was assassinated, he gave a speech and in that speech he spoke about this country adopting Universal Healthcare and used England as an example. This would have been seen by his opponents as (too progressive, too liberal and down right socialism).....I don't know the true reason for his murder but it is simply a personal belief of mine....tis all....

 

[Revoltingest]

History says Oswald killed him....OK...
I wasn't talking about who killed him or if there were more than one killer. That's for others to decide. I was talking about a possible reason for his murder. In the early 60's, I believe a year before he was assassinated, he gave a speech and in that speech he spoke about this country adopting Universal Healthcare and used England as an example. This would have been seen by his opponents as (too progressive, too liberal and down right socialism).....I don't know the true reason for his murder but it is simply a personal belief of mine....tis all....

OK.

Am I being too passive?
Well, it's your fault...your passivity inspired mine.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

OK.

Am I being too passive?
Well, it's your fault...your passivity inspired mine.

Oops!..Sorry....

I meant that "OK"...as in OK, I won't disagree with history as to who shot Kennedy....