AnthonyGiarrusso
Member
Viker, you can reject any order if you are alive. Just like if you are ordered NOT to steal from a store, you can steal from a store, but there will be consequences.
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Obey God's Orders
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AnthonyGiarrusso
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Imagine a poisonous fruit tree. You eat the poisonous fruit. This is the wrongful act. Then you die from eating it. This is the consequence.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
That's not about an order or directive from an outside agency. It's a penal law that would be violated. It's not thou shalt not it is if you do then this is the penalty. An order from an outside agency is as meritorious as a bark from a dog on the other side of the world.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
True. Imagine a nonpoisonous tree surrounded by thorned briar. You must eat. You know it will be okay to eat from that tree. All you need do is find a way to get around or just remove the briar in your way. The benefit would be nourishing sustenance. Just get that thorny shrubbery out of your way.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Which god and which orders?
Having said that, depends on what the orders are.
And that is, off course, assuming this god is real and the orders are indeed from said god and not from people who merely claim to speak for said god.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
In the context of God, there is no "outside". There is no "other side of the world". Distance is irrelevant. But the OP is right. You can reject any order at any time. And the encouragement you received is correct too.
So, where is the dispute?
Based on your few posts here, I am not confident of your understanding of or connection with any sort of God.
chinu
chinu
Everyone/everything is already obeying God's orders.
Even this reply/post of mine fall under God's order.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
No major dispute. I don't think there is any negative consequence for not obeying someone else's God. That's all.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It depends on the god, right? It depends on what that means. It might not be fair or right, but power is power.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Do you ever feel threatened by not following instructions or "orders" from other gods? What if there are horrible consequences for not paying homage to Kali? Shiva? Which deity should I be most concerned with angering by not obeying it's directives or adhering to it's tenets? None of that causes me to lose sleep at night. It's why this thread is in a debate section, I suppose.
What if Cthulhu is actually real? Are we all doomed?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It depends on how that 'other' god would reveal itself to me. If the god does not reveal itself to me, then I don't even know the law and I don't know the consequences. And. The revelation would need to include some sort of proof that the god actually has authority over me.
Lacking that, what ever transgression results is out of ignorance. And... ignorance is bliss. No I would not lose sleep over it either. But that doesn't mean that there are no consequences. All it would mean for me, is, if there is some sort of divine court, or trial, I can plead ignorance and beg for mercy. Or I could protest loudly and proudly. Or some combo.
If there is no court, no trial, no justice, then, it doesn't really matter. It will be, what it will be. And I'm back to not losing any sleep over it and doing my best. And that leads back to the encouragement you wrote about.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I'd agree, but add that it's sensible to follow the orders of someone (like a policeman) who can hurt you if you disobey. Until you're out of his sight at least.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
It's the phone tree that I never liked.
Press 1 to ask for something material.
Press 2 to thank God for your blessings.
Press 3 to ask for world peace.
Press 4 if you are throwing up in the toilet and just said "Oh God!" to express how you feel.
Press 5 to receive a non-denominational blessing.
And so on ....
AnthonyGiarrusso
Member
"Always believe in me." ~God
One example of God's orders.
One example of God's orders.
AnthonyGiarrusso
Member
"There is no try, only do." ~Yoda
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
How do you propose that is applied in the real world?
AnthonyGiarrusso
Member
Easy, if you believe, then that can get you to knowing.
Formula: >Skeptic>>Believer>>>Knower
It is just a process.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Well, technically, if a person becomes a 'knower' then they are no longer a 'believer'.
If a person becomes a knower and departs from belief, then they are no longer obeying the order to 'always believe in me'.
AnthonyGiarrusso
Member
Exactly.