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Office of the Former President?

ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Trailblazer said:
My academic background is psychology so I can see what is beneath his behavior.

I never said I have respect for him, I don't.

I was never conned, I just feel sorry for anyone who suffers, it's my nature, but it is also my nature to seek justice so I think he should be punished appropriately.

However, it was not just him that is to blame, it was also the senators and those in congress who backed him as well as his followers that carry part of the responsibility for what happened. I believe in free will so people can choose to do the right thing or not.
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He won't suffer, he lost an election, perhaps the first thing he ever lost in his life, he is sulking, not suffering
 
JustGeorge

JustGeorge

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Trailblazer said:
I feel a lick of sorry because I see the disturbed man...

I don't know who you are referring to as those he hurt, but if you are talking about his followers, I don't feel sorry for them. Anyone stupid enough to believe him in spite of all the evidence that there was no stolen election gets what they deserve.
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I'm kind of flipped here. I can't feel sorry for Trump, because from what I've seen of the man, he's incapable of love. He only cares for Trump.

I do feel sorry for some of his followers. We all make mistakes, and we all do stupid things. Not everyone is blessed with sound reasoning skills. I can't hate on someone for being stupid, if they really are, well, stupid. I can imagine being so screwed in the head, or having such poor circumstances fall upon you that perhaps you'd be accepting of being fed nonsense(and not have the ability at that time to discern). How awful it must be to have your worldview shattered!
 
Wrangler

Wrangler

Ask And You Will Receive
Left Coast said:
Um, friend, he lost. Someone else is President now. Did you not hear?
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I heard he won but saw the fraud and Judases allow the election to be stolen.

I guess Genius of Trump is lost on you as Biden created or invented the office of President-Elect. To mock the Left, Trump invented the office of the Former President.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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JustGeorge said:
I'm kind of flipped here. I can't feel sorry for Trump, because from what I've seen of the man, he's incapable of love. He only cares for Trump.

I do feel sorry for some of his followers. We all make mistakes, and we all do stupid things. Not everyone is blessed with sound reasoning skills. I can't hate on someone for being stupid, if they really are, well, stupid. I can imagine being so screwed in the head, or having such poor circumstances fall upon you that perhaps you'd be accepting of being fed nonsense(and not have the ability at that time to discern). How awful it must be to have your worldview shattered!
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It's funny but I feel the opposite way. He is incapable of love because of his childhood, and what happened in his childhood was not his fault since was just a child under the control of his parents.

"It was also a climate amenable to the lessons of Fred Trump: “Donald’s father’s overall message to his children was, and it was a very different message to the boys than to the girls … was compete, win, be a killer,” Blair says. “Do what you have to do to win.”

Donald Trump’s relationship with his mother, Mary, was formative in a different way. She had become seriously ill for a time when Trump was two-and-a-half years old.

“Donald, who was at a very, very critical point in his development as a child, was essentially abandoned by her,” Mary Trump, Trump’s niece, a psychologist and the author of Too Much and Never Enough, tells FRONTLINE.

“When you ask him about how she showed her love, he has nothing to say,” Marc Fisher says.

That left more room for Fred Trump’s lasting influence on his son."

Read more: Trump the 'Bully': How Childhood & Military School Shaped the Future President

I do not hate his followers but I hold them responsible for their choices. I do not see them as victims of Trump. They were told time and again that the election was not stolen and the evidence was presented, yet they still chose to believe the election was stolen. I cannot say I know why people are like this, why they ignore the evidence and follow their leader, but I believe in free will so I hold them responsible if they hurt other people as a result of following Trump's orders. As for the white supremacists they are in complete control of their actions but I consider them to be morally depraved.
 
Audie

Audie

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Trailblazer said:
Sorry, it is just my nature to be compassionate, and he is psychologically disturbed. Then there's this:

Matthew 7:1-3 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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Good advice
To which we add

Drink not, lest thou be drunk
and
Think not, lest thou be thunk
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wrangler said:
Trump is the best POTUS in decades. Not perfect as a man or President. I only rated him 0.995 out of 1.000. Everyday was Xmas with Trump.
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Yes, we understand that some people are easily fooled. When on looks at his actual performance and not at his claims he was at the bottom of the barrel.
 
Wrangler

Wrangler

Ask And You Will Receive
Trailblazer said:
Got any evidence of a stolen election?
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While there are mountains of evidence the point is mute in this day and age of Guilt By Accusation.

Isn’t that what we learned from the Kavanuagh hearing for SCOTUS? Whatever happened to BELIEVE HER? Both Press Secretary AND Sidney Powell detailed the fraud. Maybe it’s because they are European. ;)
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Wrangler said:
While there are mountains of evidence the point is mute in this day and age of Guilt By Accusation.

Isn’t that what we learned from the Kavanuagh hearing for SCOTUS? Whatever happened to BELIEVE HER? Both Press Secretary AND Sidney Powell detailed the fraud. Maybe it’s because they are European. ;)
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This is simply an improper Tu Quoque fallacy. Yes, some on the Democrat side were too ready to believe the accuser of Kavanaugh. So what? That does not help your claim.

And I hate to say it, but Sydney Powell is simply nuts. Too bad that you do not have any evidence. You seem to forget that there were recounts, physical recounts of paper votes and Trump still lost in those cases and no evidence of cheating was found. Instead Trump broke the law again by asking Georgia state officials to cheat for him.
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Wrangler said:
Trump is the best POTUS in decades. Not perfect as a man or President. I only rated him 0.995 out of 1.000. Everyday was Xmas with Trump.
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I find it incredible that anybody with any sort of Christian beliefs can think that Trump is anything but the antithesis of a good leader. He's a sexist, racist, immoral, barefaced liar, who boasts about sexual assault. He is the epitome of what you said god hates on the other thread.
 
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