Official 2008 Presidential Election thread - Discuss/Defend/Debate

[Comprehend]

Harry Reid. Too bad he isn't running for President.

You are kidding right?

 

[Polaris]

I respected him when was pro-gay, or was at least pretending to be. Why should respect someone who only sees us now as the whipping boy he has to punch to get elected?

I don't think Mitt's ever been "pro-gay". He's always been against gay discrimination (note: pro traditional-marriage is not gay discrimination). Nearly all politicians have to make certain compromises in their positions to make themselves electable. When Mitt ran for governer of one of the most liberal states in the nation he had to compromise on certain issues or he'd never have come close to getting elected. Now if he broke promises during his service that's a different story, and I'm not aware that he did that.

 

[Green Gaia]

I don't think Mitt's ever been "pro-gay".

Maybe not, but until recently he didn't seem to have a problem with everyone thinking he was.

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

"I do not believe in imposing my beliefs on others."
Unless they're gay, apparently.... and you're running for President.

He's always been against gay discrimination (note: pro traditional-marriage is not gay discrimination).

No, pro-traditional marriage is not gay discrimination, but anti-gay marriage is. I don't care if you straights still want to get married, but gays should have the same opportunities to protect their families and partners too.

 

[jonny]

You are kidding right?

No. It would be nice to have a pro-life democrat on the ballot for people to choose from.

 

[jonny]

I respected him when was pro-gay, or was at least pretending to be. Why should respect someone who only sees us now as the whipping boy he has to punch to get elected?

I've said this before and I'll say this again - being against gay marriage does not make one anti-gay. It makes one against gay marriage. When Romney made his statements on gay rights, marriage wasn't an issue. I really don't think his positions (on this issue) have changed at all.

 

[Comprehend]

No. It would be nice to have a pro-life democrat on the ballot for people to choose from.

Harry Reid has trouble staying on the right side of the law though. It would be impossible for him to make a legitimate run at the Presidency.

 

[FFH]

This poll may be a little skewed because of the high amount of LDS posters here, but it looks as if Mitt actually has a chance at the Presidency or at least being chosen as Vice for the final Republican canditate.

 

[Comprehend]

This pole may be a little skewed because of the high amount of LDS posters here, but it looks as if Mitt actually has a chance at the Presidency or at least being chosen as Vice for the final Republican canditate.

No way dude! It has been decreed by God through your televangelist! Remember? How could you doubt that Romney will be President when you have already showed everyone the prophecy?

:biglaugh: :slap:


PS. It's a "poll"

 

[FFH]

No way dude! It has been decreed by God through your televangelist! Remember? How could you doubt that Romney will be President when you have already showed everyone the prophecy?

:biglaugh: :slap:


PS. It's a "poll"

Whoa there partner, these things take time...

I have my doubts for sure as to how Mitt will squeak into the Presidency, but I think he will eventually be accepted as a future President...

Hopefully this term, but if not I think he will eventually make it further down the road...

 

[FFH]

:slapS. It's a "poll"

Quit poking my eye out Comp I can't see to post my prophecies...

 

[Comprehend]

Whoa there partner, these things take time...

I have my doubts for sure as to how Mitt will squeak into the Presidency, but I think he will eventually be accepted as a future President...

Hopefully this term, but if not I think he will eventually make it further down the road...

you said:

I really think Mitt will be our next President.

There is a prophecy that I stumbled across which says our next President will come out of Detroit, Michigan and will be instrumental in changing the auto industry.

Mitt Romney was born in Detroit.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=679007&highlight=Romney+president#post679007

you also said this in the same thread:

I heard this guy prophesy our next President would come out of Detroit it made sense to me.

I was really surprised when he became Govenor of Mass., where my wife is from, they are so liberal there. Because he was accepted there I'm sure he will have no problem being accepted throughout the country as our next President.

Again this guy said the next President would come from Detroit.

Are you flip-flopping Mr. Kerry?

 

[FFH]

Are you flip-flopping Mr. Kerry?

Yes sir I'm guilty sir...just comin' back down to reality sir...

Not so sure he will get in that easy anymore, but eventually somehow he will make it to the Presidency...

Edit: It will be exciting to see what unfulds...

 

[Radio Frequency X]

I like Giuliani, but I don't know if I can support him yet. He has some questionable values and I've got to see if the good with him can outweight the bad he brings along.

I don't expect that Giuliani will get out the values voters. However, if he wins the Republican Primary and he is up against Senator Clinton or Senator Obama, then Republican values-voters will still vote for Giuliani in order to vote against the Left.

Besides, I do not believe that elections should be about values. They should be about ideas, policies, direction, leadership, and philosophy. Is there anyone who doubts Giuliani's leadership ability? Left or Right? His ideas are moderate, practical, and aimed at creating a moral pluralistic, bipartisan political culture - like he did when he was Mayor.

 

[Radio Frequency X]

I respected him when was pro-gay, or was at least pretending to be. Why should respect someone who only sees us now as the whipping boy he has to punch to get elected?

Because if you want to get elected as a Republican, you have to placate the values-voters. Just as, if you want to get elected by Democrats, you have to placate the economic ignorance of the lower economic classes. Lying is necessary in American politics because voters don't vote on the important issues. They vote on the issues that are the most emotional. As voters, we have to learn to read between the lines. What have they done? Not, what have they said?

 

[pete29]

It's an issue that can be very polarizing, and it tends to polarize to the two parties, doesn't it?

As a screaming moderate, I find myself too often in the position where my thought is: A pox on both your houses!

I'm seriously thinking...Pat Paulsen for President.

is he still alive ?

 

[pete29]

Harry Reid. Too bad he isn't running for President.

i'm afraid he wouldn't make it out of the primaries.

 

[Green Gaia]

I've said this before and I'll say this again - being against gay marriage does not make one anti-gay. It makes one against gay marriage. When Romney made his statements on gay rights, marriage wasn't an issue. I really don't think his positions (on this issue) have changed at all.

Then Massachuetts BGLT people were grossly mislead to support him. How can be being supportive of inequality and discrimination be any other than anti-gay?

 

[Radio Frequency X]

Then Massachuetts BGLT people were grossly mislead to support him. How can be being supportive of inequality and discrimination be any other than anti-gay?

Because marriage is a matter of definition, not civil rights.

 

[Flappycat]

Obama or Giuliani. Any New Dem is nixed because the New Dems have done everything in their power to destroy what the Democratic Party of America stands for. If I vote for a Democrat, it's going to be a stand-up liberal and not one of those Republican-lite retards. Any Republican who sold out to the fundies is also nixed, but I'd give one who's shown some moral integrity as fair a shot as any. This definitely nixes Mitt Romney and McCaine, who are both on a "vote for hate!" platform. Obviously, if it came down to a race between Hillary and Guiliani, I'd go for the one who is not Hillary. She's a New Dem sell-out, and she conducts herself like nothing but a professional politician. She's made even loyal Democrats embarrassed to call themselves Democrats. She's everything that this country could do without, and the only way I'd vote for her would be to keep out the communist-stinking neocons, opponents of abortion rights, or immoral scum who would exploit hate and intolerance for political gain. If you're religious and you are a Democrat, pray every night that the Dems aren't stupid enough to put her up to run. If it came down to a decision between her and Mitt Romney, I'd just shoot myself because I would then no longer have any reason to continue living. My life may depend upon you doing everything you can to make sure that Hillary is tossed aside.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Because marriage is a matter of definition, not civil rights.

Everything is a matter of definition.

Marriage is defined as one of the most important ceremonies in a person's lifetime. Denying it to a group based on arbitrary gender roles is denying something that is symbolically important to many people.