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Oh, Alrighty then, Trump just misspoke

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No--- I don't remember Obama "accidentally" mentioning his "muslim faith". This would come as a shock, seeing as how he's been a life-long christian...

Morevover the GOP would have used that to impeach him in a heartbeat, likely rephrasing him as a terrorist.
Since being a Muslim is not anywhere near being a high crime or misdemeanor I do not think that even the Republicans would have been that idiotic. Maybe one or two members of the house would squawk, but that is about all that would happen. At any rate I have to agree about the claims that if Obama ever mentioned his "Muslim faith" he would have to have been being sarcastic.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No--- I don't remember Obama "accidentally" mentioning his "muslim faith". This would come as a shock, seeing as how he's been a life-long christian...
I'm not surprised that his slip isn't well know.
I don't recall it being mentioned in the news.
But still.....
A longer snippet for context....
Morevover the GOP would have used that to impeach him in a heartbeat, likely rephrasing him as a terrorist.
Your prediction didn't come to pass.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Well, maybe he wasn't being facetious, but it was a very understandable slip, quickly corrected.
I can't get the video in your link to work, but according to this Snopes article that gives the quote in context it was not a mistake. He was discussing how McCain never brought up "my Muslim faith". In context he was defending McCain and saying that he did not attack him with a false claim. Stephanopoulos misunderstood the statement:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/my-muslim-faith/

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MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: And John McCain said the same thing about questioning your faith.

SEN. OBAMA: And what was the first thing the McCain campaign went out and did? They said, look, these liberal blogs that support Obama are out there attacking Governor Palin. Let’s not play games. What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith …"

"That last sentence was a straightforward statement: Senator Obama was not proclaiming his “Muslim faith”; he was acknowledging that Republican nominee John McCain had not specifically promulgated the false rumor that he (Obama) was a Muslim.

Unfortunately, at this point of the interview, George Stephanopoulos — apparently not understanding the context of Senator Obama’s response — mistakenly attempted to correct him by interjecting the words “Your Christian faith.” This non sequitur briefly threw Senator Obama off track; he repeated the words “My Christian faith” and then returned to the point he was trying to make:

SEN. OBAMA: What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith, and you’re absolutely right that that has not come …



MR. STEPHANOPOULOS (interrupting): Your Christian faith.

SEN. OBAMA: My Christian faith — well, what I’m saying is …

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS (interrupting): Connections, right.

SEN. OBAMA: … that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim, and I think that his campaign upper echelons haven’t either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not what who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."

Taken out of context it looks like he was describing his faith and made an error when he was actually saying that John McCain made no false claims about his faith. Perhaps your source, which I could not get to work, dishonestly took too short of a clip of the interview.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I'm not surprised that his slip isn't well know.
I don't recall it being mentioned in the news.
But still.....
A longer snippet for context....

Your prediction didn't come to pass.
In context he is not describing his "Muslim faith" he is defending John McCain who did not make false claims about Obama having a Muslim faith. George misunderstood It is clearer if you read the transcript in the link that I posted. Other Republicans made the claims about him being Muslim, not McCain.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
No--- I don't remember Obama "accidentally" mentioning his "muslim faith". This would come as a shock, seeing as how he's been a life-long christian...

Morevover the GOP would have used that to impeach him in a heartbeat, likely rephrasing him as a terrorist.


I think I remember him saying something like that but it was obviously a mistake. He had just lots of exposure to Islam in his youth, and though there is no proof, he MAY have said his Shadah as a result of peer pressure. In adulthood, it is demonstrable that he is not Muslim.
 

WalterTrull

Godfella

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In context he is not describing his "Muslim faith" he is defending John McCain who did not make false claims about Obama having a Muslim faith. George misunderstood It is clearer if you read the transcript in the link that I posted. Other Republicans made the claims about him being Muslim, not McCain.
In the video, the host corrected Obama's gaffe, where
upon Obama changed it to his "Christian faith".
If not a gaffe, then why did Obama correct himself?

I'm not criticizing Obama for getting confused, & making
a mistake. Nor do I claim that he believed he's a Muslim.
I only point out that gaffes happen.
Perhaps Trump had one.
As I said, I don't know Trump's mind.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Obama was being fascious in the comment in refering to suggested comments by John Mcain . Look it up, you know better, I think it was out of context. You know that he is not Muslem. I'm really surprised by the bias represented by this post. I guess you like Trump better. Oh well !
What horse are you riding now ?
I do know better.....than thou.
If you watch the video, you'll see that Obama wasn't being facetious.
He simply had a verbal gaffe.
You're claiming bias, but this is off the mark.
I offered it to show that people, even those considered highly intelligent
silver tongued paragons of competence also commit verbal gaffes.
Trump, a clumsy public speaker, could very well have done the same.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I guess there's always a back door, isn't there ?
Not always.
That's why there were so many heroes at the Alamo.
(I gotta zing the Texicans every now & then.)

Dang, you're sure doing your best to paint my
posts as something other than what they are.
Did you even watch the video?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
In the video, the host corrected Obama's gaffe, where
upon Obama changed it to his "Christian faith".
If not a gaffe, then why did Obama correct himself?

Not to mention that Trump doesn't speak of religion all the time, as he used to...he deals with more serious matters

(As if people cared about a president's faith...)
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Watched many times...especially the `quoting McCain part.
I can't understand your dislike of Obama !
But....this is supposed to be about Trump's screw-ups !
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not to mention that Trump doesn't speak of religion all the time, as he used to...he deals with more serious matters
(As if people cared about a president's faith...)
Are you arguing over this because you see no possibility that Trump misspoke?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
In the video, the host corrected Obama's gaffe, where
upon Obama changed it to his "Christian faith".
If not a gaffe, then why did Obama correct himself?

I'm not criticizing Obama for getting confused, & making
a mistake. Nor do I claim that he believed he's a Muslim.
I only point out that gaffes happen.
Perhaps Trump had one.
As I said, I don't know Trump's mind.

Obama did not make a gaffe. That was done by Stephanopolous. He did not understand the "my Muslim faith" in context. Obama was discussing how others claimed that he had a Muslim faith and he pointed out that McCain never brought up "my Muslim faith" a defense of McCain. In context George screwed up.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Watched many times...especially the `quoting McCain part.
I can't understand your dislike of Obama !
But....this is supposed to be about Trump's screw-ups !
I don't dislike Obama all that much.
And I certainly don't hate him.
(Hate is for Kool Aid consumers.)
I just disagree with some of his policies.
Moreover, I find Trump more dislikable.

But you're aggressively missing the point
about verbal gaffes by politicians, ie, if
Obama is susceptible, then so is Trump.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Obama did not make a gaffe. That was done by Stephanopolous. He did not understand the "my Muslim faith" in context. Obama was discussing how others claimed that he had a Muslim faith and he pointed out that McCain never brought up "my Muslim faith" a defense of McCain. In context George screwed up.
Then why did Obama correct himself?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, he is a clumsy speaker. However, in no stretch of my imagination (and I have a pretty good one) can I concede Trump made a gaffe. He said what he meant at the time. He just didn't mean it 24 hours later when he got flak for it. His justification was beyond clumsy.
You have certainty.
I don't know.
 
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