Oh, Alrighty then, Trump just misspoke

[Revoltingest]

His correction doesn't make any sense. What he said at the time fits in with the rest of the things he was saying, including the part about Putin being
"extremely strong and powerful" in his denial of election meddling.

I find that much of what he says doesn't make sense.
I attribute some things to his use of fawning "making nice" style of diplomacy.
Is he what he appears, or do I see opacity which masks some other agenda?
I don't know.
What matters to me is the potential to ramp down hostilities with hostile
nuclear powers. If his antics get us there, then color me happy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I find that much of what he says doesn't make sense.

Yep! I find that too.

I attribute some things to his use of fawning "making nice" style of diplomacy.
Is what he appears, or do I see opacity which masks some other agenda?
I don't know.
What matters to me is the potential to ramp down hostilities with hostile
nuclear powers. If his antics get us there, then color me happy.

I'm not really into sucking up to dictators.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not really into sucking up to dictators.

Neither am I.
This is why we hire politicians to do it for us.
Let's just hope it results in more peace.

 

[`mud]

It depends on the ones and zeros doesn't it ?
And maybe the resulting control !
Peace depends on the `code` of the software,
and on the mouths of the politicians.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hey, if you want to support a president who consistently lies, demeans innocent people, separates families, praises tyrants, tries to obstruct justice, ignores his own intelligent appointees, commits adultery, brags about groping women, sneaks in to see teen girls changing clothes, refuses to pay sub-contractors, was fined for illegal campaign contributions, was fined for his Trump University fiasco, has secret meetings with an avowed enemy of the U.S. (Putin), puts forth a tax plan that's passed that will hurt the poor and children and the elderly, then I guess I'd much rather be a "liberal" than someone who isn't willing to hold Trump responsible for any of these atrocities. IOW, that certainly ain't "Buddhist"-- that's for sure, because dharma takes a "do no harm to sentient beings" approach, but maybe you skipped out on those lessons.

Oh, btw, who's a "liberal"? Oh I forgot, stereotyping is your "thing". And, oh, btw, you should have noticed that my emoji on my last post indicated that I was using "hyperbole". Maybe look that word up, NW.

Looked it up.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/hyperbole
Glad we have you educated Libby's. Don't know what it be like without ya.

 

[Revoltingest]

.....you should have noticed that my emoji on my last post indicated that I was using "hyperbole". Maybe look that word up, NW.

Noun Rhetoric.

1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
3. sound made by liberal Yooper anthropologists

 

[RedhorseWoman]

Neither am I.
This is why we hire politicians to do it for us.
Let's just hope it results in more peace.

Doubtful. What it appears to be are attempts from dictators to stroke Trump's ego so that he lessens sanctions against them and so that he alienates our allies, and Trump seems quite happy to go along with them. He is certainly not the brightest bulb in the pack despite his bragging about what a genius he is.

 

[Estro Felino]

Neither am I.
This is why we hire politicians to do it for us.
Let's just hope it results in more peace.

Trump thinks of second summit with Putin
Italy volunteers to host next Putin-Trump summit in Rome

 

[Revoltingest]

Doubtful. What it appears to be are attempts from dictators to stroke Trump's ego so that he lessens sanctions against them and so that he alienates our allies, and Trump seems quite happy to go along with them. He is certainly not the brightest bulb in the pack despite his bragging about what a genius he is.

Alienating allies is a dubious claim, but even so, it doesn't pose a real problem.
Achieving peace with our enemies though....that can save millions of lives &
trillions of dollars. At the moment war (other than trade) doesn't loom.
I watch with concern for more progress on that front.

I recall similar (lower volume) criticism of Reagan for his pursuing
detente with the USSR. He took flack for having no pre-conditions.
He went against the advice of his security experts. And yet, over
the course of half a decade, we saw the INF Treaty.
Criticism is often more about looking for something to hate on the
other side. This is one of those times. What really matters is actual
results. I'll wait for those to heap either praise or scorn.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Alienating allies is a dubious claim, but even so, it doesn't pose a real problem.
Achieving peace with our enemies though....that can save millions of lives &
trillions of dollars. At the moment war (other than trade) doesn't loom.
I watch with concern for more progress on that front.

I recall similar (lower volume) criticism of Reagan for his pursuing
detente with the USSR. He took flack for having no pre-conditions.
He went against the advice of his security experts. And yet, over
the course of half a decade, we saw the INF Treaty.
Criticism is often more about looking for something to hate on the
other side. This is one of those times. What really matters is actual
results. I'll wait for those to heap either praise or scorn.

If Trump gets real positive results I will agree with you. So far the tariff situation is rather overblown since the tariffs applied have barely affected prices. If he gets the people that we trade with to blink he might even pull that one off. Reagan was a bit of a cowboy in his approach to diplomacy. Trump is a word that would get censored here, it could still work, but I seriously doubt if it will.

 

[Revoltingest]

Reagan was a bit of a cowboy in his approach to diplomacy.

Reagan was called a "cowboy" in the media.
But his thorough preparation for INF Treaty
negotiations proves otherwise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Reagan was called a "cowboy" in the media.
But his thorough preparation for INF Treaty
negotiations proves otherwise.

He also often went his own way when he disagreed with his advisors. I still think that SDI was largely successful. Not because it worked,but because the Soviets reacted like it might work.

 

[Revoltingest]

He also often went his own way when he disagreed with his advisors.

Those in the security community have a spotty record regarding actions taken & advice given.
Reagan inherited Carter's green lighting Iraq's attack on Iran. And while this doesn't excuse
Reagan's going along with the predominant views, at least he changed course with the Soviets.
He sought better advice from Suzanne Massey, & the results were better than the alternative.

The extent to which SDI influenced negotiations & the eventual fall of the USSR are debatable,
but Reagan's strategy to use it was sound.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

He also often went his own way when he disagreed with his advisors. I still think that SDI was largely successful. Not because it worked,but because the Soviets reacted like it might work.

Indeed-- that, and bottoming out the price of Crude Oil by making deals with the Saudis, destroyed the USSR's economy.

That is what took it down more than anything-- the USSR was grossly over-spending to try to keep up with the USA's Star Wars program.

Shame, really-- the Saudis were pretty much the opposite of USA Values... but Ronnie Ray-gun was happy to get in bed with them anyway.

 

[RedhorseWoman]

If Trump gets real positive results I will agree with you. So far the tariff situation is rather overblown since the tariffs applied have barely affected prices. If he gets the people that we trade with to blink he might even pull that one off. Reagan was a bit of a cowboy in his approach to diplomacy. Trump is a word that would get censored here, it could still work, but I seriously doubt if it will.

Barely affected prices? Well, I suppose that's a matter of opinion, and it will take awhile before the price hikes to manufacturers "trickle down" to consumers, but I work part-time for a small manufacturer near home that uses steel for its products. All prices are going up on their products as of 8/1 by around 15% due to the tariffs.

They sell to companies that make products that eventually go to regular consumers, and we are probably only one of many of their suppliers who will have to raise prices which will ultimately affect their end products.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Barely affected prices? Well, I suppose that's a matter of opinion, and it will take awhile before the price hikes to manufacturers "trickle down" to consumers, but I work part-time for a small manufacturer near home that uses steel for its products. All prices are going up on their products as of 8/1 by around 15% due to the tariffs.

They sell to companies that make products that eventually go to regular consumers, and we are probably only one of many of their suppliers who will have to raise prices which will ultimately affect their end products.

I could be wrong. From this article it appears that his tariffs are unevenly and illogically applied. Steel will have a tariff but steel products that are imported will not:

https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/25/massive-spike-in-american-steel-prices

That is just insane. We hurt American manufacturers and help foreign ones.

 

[`mud]

Wake up people...with republicans comes inflation,
and then recession, and democrats to fix it.
And the republicans again and do it over.
Watch the prices and taxes on utilities, property taxes, groceries, gasoline,
and on and on and on. Starting this month, if not, then I'm wrong, it's cyclic !
watch !