Oh, jeez. "Racist" Walking Dead T-Shirt pulled due to complaints

[Revoltingest]

I guess you're blind to the literal lyric "catch a n***er by his toe?

Oh, no.....I'm familiar with that version.
But it is only one, & not the original.
Looking at context, Negan employed the counting rhyme to select someone to beat to death.
To make it about race is understandable to those who see things that way, but it's wrong.

When you're not a minority it is easy to skim past the offensive racist language. It was outright offensive language end of discussion sir. I just posted the original language in the link. Your response ought to be" it was wrong," not having a drawn out discussion on what is more offensive.

My response is what it is, & ought to be nothing else.
We just disagree about the meaning.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Oh, no.....I'm familiar with that version.
But it is only one, & not the original.
Looking at context, Negan employed the counting rhyme to select someone to beat to death.
To make it about race is understandable to those who see things that way, but it's wrong.

My response is what it is, & ought to be nothing else.
We just disagree about the meaning.

Indeed we just disagree on our interpretation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Indeed we just disagree on our interpretation.

This is fortunate.
Otherwise we'd bore the audience.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Whiny people have now found ways to get offended by something from ages ago that nobody even knows about anymore. I'm surprised, as I thought they'd never run out of things to be offended by today.

Why is it that humorless people never seem to understand anything about context?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I guess you're blind to the literal lyric "catch a n***er by his toe? When you're not a minority it is easy to skim past the offensive racist language. It was outright offensive language end of discussion sir. I just posted the original language in the link. Your response ought to be" it was wrong," not having a drawn out discussion on what is more offensive.

Or you just want to see it there. While some may have used it in a racist way, the origins of the rhyme are actually unknown. Some hand gestures are used in offensive and racist ways, but we certainly wouldn't call fowl over any and all hand gestures.
The shirt has a context. They rhyme is a children's rhyme found in several languages and unknown origins. You are the one who has to read racism into it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Indeed we just disagree on our interpretation.

Btw, I've mocked those who are offended by the shirt.
I apologize if I've offended you.
But I'm not so progressive that I'll end the mocking.
Jerks gotta be jerks!

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Or you just want to see it there. While some may have used it in a racist way, the origins of the rhyme are actually unknown. Some hand gestures are used in offensive and racist ways, but we certainly wouldn't call fowl over any and all hand gestures.
The shirt has a context. They rhyme is a children's rhyme found in several languages and unknown origins. You are the one who has to read racism into it.

Fine, I'm talking about originality of the racist lyrics...The origin as it relates to the English language as it relates to the English speaking people, as it relates to the link that I posted clear cut no need to respond.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Btw, I've mocked those who are offended by the shirt.
I apologize if I've offended you.
But I'm not so progressive that I'll end the mocking.
Jerks gotta be jerks!

Not sure why you apologized but thank you I was not offended but I was clarifying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Fine, I'm talking about originality of the racist lyrics...The origin as it relates to the English language as it relates to the English speaking people, as it relates to the link that I posted clear cut no need to respond.

That's not how it started in the English language. This is the earliest recorded version of it, from New York 1812
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo wac.
It's like trying to say "ring around the rosey" is about the black plague, even though it isn't and the original version is so different from what we know today some of our "proof" it's based on plague aren't even lines in the original, and it's incredibly difficult to infer plague from it.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

That's not how it started in the English language. This is the earliest recorded version of it, from New York 1812
Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo wac.
It's like trying to say "ring around the rosey" is about the black plague, even though it isn't and the original version is so different from what we know today some of our "proof" it's based on plague aren't even lines in the original, and it's incredibly difficult to infer plague from it.

Fine then why the racist connotations afterwards? That is where I think people are up in arms about.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Fine then why the racist connotations afterwards? That is where I think people are up in arms about.

And they have to make the conscious effort to read racist connotations into it, and make a choice to get up in arms with over.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Don't know why you quoted me there is no such as free speech especially without consequences.

Because I was addressing you. There absolutely is such a thing as Free Speech; consequences do not negate this fact. Everything has consequences, and yet freedom exists.

 

[SomeRandom]

Fine then why the racist connotations afterwards? That is where I think people are up in arms about.

People see what they want to see.

Interpretations often say a lot more about the person doing the interpreting than the original creator.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Because I was addressing you. There absolutely is such a thing as Free Speech; consequences do not negate this fact. Everything has consequences, and yet freedom exists.

Because life has rules. But because as you say "free speech" exists does not mean one is truly free to say anything.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

People see what they want to see.

Interpretations often say a lot more about the person doing the interpreting than the original creator.

Agreed. I personally don't like when some conservatives that argue online move goal posts regarding free speech but when free speech is used against their own liking they insult other people (not saying it happened here just in general from my own experiences).

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And they have to make the conscious effort to read racist connotations into it, and make a choice to get up in arms with over.

Ok

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Because life has rules.

And honestly, nothing stops me from going outside right now and screaming a bunch of obscenities. The N word, F word - I even have dropped more than a few F-bombs in public. Nothing really ever happens, and I doubt it would even if I were to utter the first two. I might anger or irritate an SJW that I work with, but that's about it.

Perfect example: there's a guy who comes into my work quite often. Every single day, he wears an SS hat. Yes, that SS. But, he doesn't bother anyone directly. He doesn't pick fights, he doesn't say anything aside from what he wants from our service establishment, he doesn't start making threats or spouting nazi rhetoric. So there is absolutely dick that we can rightfully do against him, because he's not harming anyone.

If I can serve a goddamn nazi, I think you can handle a t-shirt that references a scene in a show that uses a song that isn't inherently racist but some people in the past have made it so.

 

[SomeRandom]

Agreed. I personally don't like when some conservatives that argue online move goal posts regarding free speech but when free speech is used against their own liking they insult other people (not saying it happened here just in general from my own experiences).

That's true. And happens on both sides. But that being said, I really didn't have any issue with the shirt in question.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And honestly, nothing stops me from going outside right now and screaming a bunch of obscenities. The N word, F word - I even have dropped more than a few F-bombs in public. Nothing really ever happens, and I doubt it would even if I were to utter the first two. I might anger or irritate an SJW that I work with, but that's about it.

Perfect example: there's a guy who comes into my work quite often. Every single day, he wears an SS hat. Yes, that SS. But, he doesn't bother anyone directly. He doesn't pick fights, he doesn't say anything aside from what he wants from our service establishment, he doesn't start making threats or spouting nazi rhetoric. So there is absolutely dick that we can rightfully do against him, because he's not harming anyone.

If I can serve a goddamn nazi, I think you can handle a t-shirt that references a scene in a show that uses a song that isn't inherently racist but some people in the past have made it so.

You act like I was personally offended. I was offering an explanation.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You act like I was personally offended. I was offering an explanation.

As was I; I was using "you" subjectively.