Oh.. Oh wow..

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Apparently, that's what comes to mind for most people who see 6 pointed stars.

Not just "6 pointed stars," but a yellow six-pointed star with a description of its wearer in a Hebrew-style font in black, sewn to the left side of the outermost garment... yes: most people think of the Holocaust.

And by "most," I mean "virtually every person who has at least a passing familiarity with the history of the Holocaust."

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Justifies? I suppose any similarity could justify the speech. But this was meant to point out that such audacious...behavior is frequently used.

Sure, but there is quite a significant difference.

Distinguish the two.

You need me to distinguish the difference between associating others with a reprehensible political ideology and associating yourself with the actual victims of genocide in order to portray that your current position is similar to theirs?

I object to both, but to say they are the same is ridiculous.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So let me get this straight. It seems most people responding in an offended manner can condone -- in defense of free speech, of course -- every vile, disrespectful, obscene, and downright threatening act, sign, or gesture that those on the left throw out there but this knots their knickers? Go figure.

I would think that someone like you, who gets offended by people calling out these patches for what they are, would have more empathy for people you consider to be your fellow knicker-knotters.

 

[Father Heathen]

I guess the spin is the thing...

What exactly are we spinning? Their product and their own description of it speaks for itself.

 

[Curious George]

Of course comparing the republicans to the nazis is an extreme exaggeration, but comparing yourself to victims of the holocaust just because people question your political views is beyond the pale.

It is the same relationship that we are discussing. If x is a nazi because they oppress y. Then you is a victim of nazis because they are oppressed by x.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not just "6 pointed stars," but a yellow six-pointed star with a description of its wearer in a Hebrew-style font in black, sewn to the left side of the outermost garment... yes: most people think of the Holocaust.

And by "most," I mean "virtually every person who has at least a passing familiarity with the history of the Holocaust."

Too bad pix aren't showing up these days.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Some memes disgust.

 

[Curious George]

Sure, but there is quite a significant difference.


You need me to distinguish the difference between associating others with a reprehensible political ideology and associating yourself with the actual victims of genocide in order to portray that your current position is similar to theirs?

I object to both, but to say they are the same is ridiculous.

Same? I would go with equivalent. The association is because they were a genocidal regime.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Same? I would go with equivalent. The association is because they were a genocidal regime.

Actually, it's because they were authoritarian and totalitarian. Hence why people on both sides of the political divide are compared to Nazis all the time.

Do you honestly think comparing other people to Nazis is equivalent to comparing yourself to victims of genocide?

 

[Curious George]

Actually, it's because they were authoritarian and totalitarian.

That, I believe is intellectual dishonesty. It is an emotional appeal.

Hence why people on both sides of the political divide are compared to Nazis all the time.

Do you honestly think comparing other people to Nazis is equivalent to comparing yourself to victims of genocide?

I honestly think that drawing parallels to the Nazis in order do create a hyperbolic representation of current behavior, is equivalent to drawing parallels to those whom the Nazis oppressed in order to create a hyperbolic representation of current behavior, is equivalent.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That, I believe is intellectual dishonesty. It is an emotional appeal.

Sure it is - but I believe it's one that comes out of comparison to perceived authoritarian or totalitarian behavior more often than perceived genocidal behavior. I've seen it used for both, but very, very rarely for the latter.

I honestly think that drawing parallels to the Nazis in order do create a hyperbolic representation of current behavior, is equivalent to drawing parallels to those whom the Nazis oppressed in order to create a hyperbolic representation of current behavior, is equivalent.

Right.

Goodbye then.

 

[Curious George]

Sure it is - but I believe it's one that comes out of comparison to perceived authoritarian or totalitarian behavior more often than perceived genocidal behavior. I've seen it used for both, but very, very rarely for the latter.

It is used for the former because of the latter. It is an appeal to say this is where it is going.

Right.

Goodbye then.

Because it is better to discuss things with people who agree with you or it easier?

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder about something....
Let's take the premise: It's wrong to compare/associate supporting
gun rights or Republicans to Nazi oppression.
Is there anyone who agrees with this, but compared Trump to Hitler?

Note that I make no accusations directed towards anyone
here...because I don't remember who took what position.

 

[Curious George]

I wonder about something....
Let's take the premise: It's wrong to compare/associate supporting
gun rights or Republicans to Nazi oppression.
Is there anyone who agrees with this, but compared Trump to Hitler?

Note that I make no accusations directed towards anyone
here...because I don't remember who took what position.

Hmmm. As I said earlier. I can see the parallel with Gun owners (that there is some fear the government is trying to track them) but I do not see the argument for Republicans. While I would not say that it is wrong, I do not see how this latter argument is right even for hyperbole. Though there may be some esoteric argument that I do not see rights now. But, at least for the "Republican" it seems too much of a stretch, especially given our current government composition.

 

[Nakosis]

I wonder about something....
Let's take the premise: It's wrong to compare/associate supporting
gun rights or Republicans to Nazi oppression.
Is there anyone who agrees with this, but compared Trump to Hitler?

Note that I make no accusations directed towards anyone
here...because I don't remember who took what position.

Apparently it's no longer available. They removed it not because it was offensive but because Trump won.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/new...patch-says-its-no-longer-relevant-under-trump

 

[Nakosis]

You think they were meant to be a joke?

Yes,

Kirgin is described in the story as "a former St. Louis police officer turned marketer."

"You talk to a beat cop, you talk to a SWAT guy, you talk to a Navy SEAL, these guys, they have a sense of humor,” said Kirgin. "They have a sense of humor that’s not your average guy’s."

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/new...ls-holocaust-style-yellow-star-for-gun-owners

Humor often ends up being offensive to someone.

Apparently a big seller during the Obama years. How is this any different than folks being offended by football players kneeling during the national anthem?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes,

Kirgin is described in the story as "a former St. Louis police officer turned marketer."

"You talk to a beat cop, you talk to a SWAT guy, you talk to a Navy SEAL, these guys, they have a sense of humor,” said Kirgin. "They have a sense of humor that’s not your average guy’s."

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/new...ls-holocaust-style-yellow-star-for-gun-owners

Humor often ends up being offensive to someone.

Apparently a big seller during the Obama years. How is this any different than folks being offended by football players kneeling during the national anthem?

Well, aren't you the fount of learning today!

 

[sun rise]

To have the balls to even make such a comparison..

That is an abomination and shows the evil nature of those who would try to compare the torture and death of millions to their depravity.

 

[sun rise]

I'm not sure I can clarify it more than I have, but....
The text you wanted me to read is the opinion of the person who wrote it.
It does not appear to be from the company selling the patches.
So it does not necessarily represent the intent of the seller.

Those who profit from evil are guilty of promoting evil.

NEVER AGAIN

 

[sun rise]

Calm down.
We may each have our different first impressions upon seeing the patches.
Yours is important to you, & you're disturbed by mine....get over it.

NOPE. Get over it yourself.