Ohio Governor's Transgender Decision

[metis]

I am allowing for the freedom of families to make their own decisions with trusted medical professionals rather than outright restricting potentially helpful medical services.

I agree and believe that's the only truly moral position to take.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't feel it's callous at all because I am allowing for the freedom of families to make their own decisions with trusted medical professionals rather than outright restricting potentially helpful medical services.

That's the only proper and ethical stance one can take.

 

[icehorse]

I don't feel it's callous at all because I am allowing for the freedom of families to make their own decisions with trusted medical professionals rather than outright restricting potentially helpful medical services.

Typically I'd agree with you. Sadly, GAC has become highly politicized, perhaps the most politicized topic in all of medicine these days?

The issues I have with GAC are several:

- Contrary to common talking points, these drugs are NOT safe, they are to varying degrees irreversible, and they almost always sentence a kid to a lifetime of further medical interventions. I think that far, far too often those realities are not well known to the families.
- Meta-studies concerning the studies about GAC have concluded that all of the evidence of GAC's efficacy is of low quality. That might not seem too bad, but it's the worst assessment a study can receive.

So to summarize, these drugs (and also the surgeries) are dangerous, inflict a lifetime of negative side effects, and are not proven to help.

In the spirit of collaborative discussion, I feel like you do agree that gender issues in youth can cause significant harm and since you are making the case that at least a percentage of these folks may grow out of it and may end up accepting bisexuality or homosexuality, could we find common ground in working towards a community where these things are openly and compassionately discussed without judgement and with acceptance?

I agree that GD should be taken very seriously! I agree that the lines of communication should be improved in all the ways you have mentioned. But sadly, I think that activists have been pushing dangerous lies about the safety and efficacy of GAC and so the communications must include those points.

In other words, would it not be helpful to nurture a society where we don't stigmatize LGBTQ folks and people can feel free to talk about these things without fear of ostracism?

This is a bit of a tangent, but I think it's important. There is a growing thought among the LGBs that they don't want to be lumped in with the TQs. I think trans activists have largely been trying to create this broader coalition, but when you think about it, it doesn't actually make sense. I'll give you a common, specific example: Lesbians are attracted biological women. More and more we're seeing trans women making a fuss when lesbians don't want to date them. That's part of the whole "TERF" label.

But to your point, yes, I think it's important to talk without fear, absolutely. But that communication must be a two way street. There are many unsavory individuals in the trans world and we ought to be able to discuss that as well. Having participated in most of the many, recent trans threads on RF, I can say that I've never seen anyone with the courage to bring this topic up.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Having participated in most of the many, recent trans threads on RF, I can say that I've never seen anyone with the courage to bring this topic up.

Probably because you're still blaming "activists" for problems faced by trans people. With such a belief your views on things will be very skewed.

 

[Shaul]

That's not even the issue. It's healthcare, not schools. Thanks for showing how little you actually care.
Amd, when you won't acknowledge a group of people as your equals and refuse to acknowledge them in school does relegate them to second class citizens while other groups of people get free air time.

I guess you didn't even bother to read the Bill in question. The introduction of the Bill states, "Saving Ohio Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act regarding gender transition services for minors, and to enact the Save Women's Sports Act to require schools, state institutions of higher education, and private colleges to designate separate single-sex teams and sports for each sex." The Bill certainly involves schools, just as I wrote.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's the psychologist/psychiatrist domain-- not mine.

The way hes weaponizing gay youth it's the domain of anyone who cares.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I guess you didn't even bother to read the Bill in question. The introduction of the Bill states, "Saving Ohio Adolescents from Experimentation (SAFE) Act regarding gender transition services for minors, and to enact the Save Women's Sports Act to require schools, state institutions of higher education, and private colleges to designate separate single-sex teams and sports for each sex." The Bill certainly involves schools, just as I wrote.

Thats not the topic of the thread.