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Ohio Governor's Transgender Decision

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
It sound like a right-wing conspiratorial reframing of making the perfect the enemy of the good.
Awww, sad. I thought you might be above such simplistic identity politics nonsense. If you were to follow the links I'd provided you'd see that it's nothing like that. Maybe start with the doctor from Finland who was in charge of GAC for Finland and has totally reversed her opinion on using the Dutch protocol.

Again - with jazz hands - the people who crafted the GAC protocol did NOT use control groups. Can you at least acknowledge that you've thought about that one sentence? How can you say a medical protocol has any efficacy if you don't have control groups??

Your vaccination question is again quite simple minded, but just to nip that one in the bud, yes, I'm vaccinated. Because I understand how exponential growth works, among other things.

As for who to trust - first off, understand that there is no central medical authority in the US. There are business associations like the AMA but those are not primarily medically focused. So there is no "central authority" in the US that has codified GAC. It was accepted by a few doctors who saw a big spike in GD and looked to other docs for answers. European countries tend to have more of a central authority approach to establishing medical protocols.

If I had a kid with GD I would do a lot of research. I'd ask the doctor what their experience is, what studies they trust, what their longitudinal findings are, what alternate approaches they're familiar with, and so on. Most docs in the US are fairly new to dealing with GD.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
Like climate change, where big business and conservatives will look for the few fringe experts whose work and conclusions are questionable, and then present these opinions as if they represent the consensus when it doesn't?
I'm not the one in this conversation acting as if their view represents the consensus.
That's why the much larger majority has a louder voice, because it has a broader coalition of experts who bring in more work, more data, and better conclusions.
I'm sure some said the same thing in the UK, but as pointed out before, standards for care are constantly evolving due to new information.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Sorry.


At least you answered it rather than dancing around. Perhaps your better at handling simple minded questions?
When have I danced around? That seems like a bit of projection, no? Have you thought about my question concerning the lack of control groups. Wanna take a stab at that question and not dance around it?
 

libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
Poor me, I misread the OP. When I read your post my reaction was "What!??" Somehow my poor brain scrambled "vetoed" into "voted' and I thought that he approved it.

Nice to hear at least a bit of good news from Ohio.
I appreciate you mentioning this, as I had done the same before I read your post.
 

libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
CNN —
Ohio’s Republican governor has vetoed legislation that would have barred transgender youth from receiving gender-affirming care, he said Friday.
Signing the bill would “be saying that the state, the government” knows what’s better for youth than their parents, Gov. Mike DeWine said...
-- https://www.cnn.com/politics/ohio-dewine-transgender-house-bill-68/index.html

Thoughts?
It's a good thing that he did this.
It's harmful to block this care, and I'm not for a moment under the illusion that the Republican's will stop at barring the practice for children.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Oh the irony! You don't have any data showing that irreversible drugs and/or surgeries are any more effective than talk therapy, and you talk about not hurting kids????? Wow!
Same for you as for @Kfox :

Sounds like you're operating from a bunch of assumptions that I wouldn't think are reasonable and I have no interest in debating them as if they are.
 

libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
CNN —
Ohio’s Republican governor has vetoed legislation that would have barred transgender youth from receiving gender-affirming care, he said Friday.
Signing the bill would “be saying that the state, the government” knows what’s better for youth than their parents, Gov. Mike DeWine said...
-- https://www.cnn.com/politics/ohio-dewine-transgender-house-bill-68/index.html

Thoughts?
In my view it's very easy to tell who cares about trans children vs who cares about children transitioning.

I'm glad that the bill was struck down, support for it is based on all sort of falsehoods on gender-affirming care.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Same for you as for @Kfox :

Sounds like you're operating from a bunch of assumptions that I wouldn't think are reasonable and I have no interest in debating them as if they are.
Did you even glance at the links I provided?

My guess is not, so it appears as though your mind is made up regardless of what facts you might be presented with.

I will ask you the same question I asked jay: Do you think that researchers must use control groups while they are researching and establishing medical protocols??
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
This.

The state should stay out of a lot of other things they're dappling in too.

I don't think government should dabble, in general :) And I'm sort of middle of the road when it comes to how big government should be, I'm probably slightly left leaning. But I think that when it comes to public safety, the government ought to have oversight. Of course they should enlist the best experts they can.
 
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