Oklahoma bill would fine teachers $10k for teaching anything that contradicts religion

[Kooky]

It is a recent phenomenon no doubt.

It definitely wasn't this bad in the past and issues were just as sensitive then as they are now.

I think a lot of has to do in my opinion with the political shift to special interest and corporations as 'people' and the move from elective policymaking to compulsory policymaking that has increased the divide.

It ingores common people in favor of the wealthy and influential, and something appears to be brewing that only a few will advantage from such a divide once its all said and done.

It feels like the common person is nothing but a usable toy , a plaything for a power and control game by two monopolistic minded factions that really want the other out of the way and gone permanently.

We are now being politically steered by emotions now, knee-jerk reactions, and not long term commonsense logic and reason.

I agree with others that there is a need to find the true political middle again and break the existing duopoly that is killing the quality of lives for so many regular people who are not living a life of privilege and opulence.

I tend to think there is an interest and intent by individuals to keep the divide going with a factional mindset alive. I think its a goal of entrenchment and a powerplay for a future one single party rule.

So I agree. It does look like someone or likely more are intentionally maintaining a hostile atmosphere of political distrust and pointing fingers at each other as to who to blame for it all.

Obviously, this is all Biden's fault.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I reject your premise that genuine science and history contradict religions. If you maintain that it does than that is a matter to be discussed during the public curriculum approval process. It is not for teachers to make such a call. A teacher’s job is to educate, not indoctrinate. It is unprofessional for teachers to promote their own beliefs and values upon their students.

It depends on the religion. The OP should have said "conservative Christianity" instead of religion.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Exactly. And teaching the theory of evolution is not indoctrination. A science teacher who does that is not "promoting their own beliefs and values", they are literally just doing their job as a science teacher.

But doing one's job as a science teacher is, apparently, offensive to many Americans.

Until the Christian Revolution in the mid 70s, these things were rarely disputed. The Islamic revolution at the same time screwed up many Muslim countries. Even abortion wasn't a hot button issue until after Roe v Wade.

 

[metis]

But there are those try to use it as a foil against religions and the religious. The theory of evolution is properly a scientific theory. But for some fools it is an ideological cult. And many of those fools are in the classroom pretending to be teachers. Genuine science welcomes questions. “Science teachers” that treat questions about evolution like a mortal sin are not practicing science.

Frankly, in the 36 years in education I never ran across any of that, but then there's probably someone somewhere who has.

 

[metis]

Oklahoma bill to fine teachers $10k for contradicting religion

We've had book banning, book burning, and now this. Republicans seem rather adamant about dumbing down and indoctrinating children. Sick, sad, and scary.

Hey, they [71% of people who say they're Republicans] largely are led by someone who is basically a neo-fascist, so what should we expect? All they are doing is playing this "culture wars" game because they have nothing to offer, such as they not even having a party platform for the 2020 election.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Obviously, this is all Biden's fault.

Well it's a symptom of a bigger issue.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hey, they [71% of people who say they're Republicans] largely are led by someone who is basically a neo-fascist, so what should we expect? All they are doing is playing this "culture wars" game because they have nothing to offer, such as they not even having a party platform for the 2020 election.

It's also noteworthy to point out the attempts at federalization and centralizing of governmental powers by the left that helps trigger the distrust and accusations. It's just as much a part of the problem than the people you keep on accusing.

 

[Kooky]

Well it's a symptom of a bigger issue.

Immigrants?

 

[SomeRandom]

It's also noteworthy to point out the attempts at federalization and centralizing of governmental powers by the left that helps trigger the distrust and accusations. It's just as much a part of the problem than the people you keep on accusing.

Your right wing is rather internationally notorious for using government overreach whilst simultaneously complaining about it. For years now. Hell decades even. And then humorously decrying the government, why people should distrust it and unfortunately the fringe elements are rather involved in conspiracies. Like that weird QAnon thing that has been exported to my country. (Can you guys please take that back?)
Your “left wing” would be called centre right at best by pretty much every other country and lefty on the planet.

Just an observation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Your right wing is rather internationally notorious for using government overreach whilst simultaneously complaining about it. For years now. Hell decades even. And then humorously decrying the government, why people should distrust it and unfortunately the fringe elements are rather involved in conspiracies. Like that weird QAnon thing that has been exported to my country. (Can you guys please take that back?)
Your “left wing” would be called centre right at best by pretty much every other country and lefty on the planet.

Just an observation.

Terms do change over the ages dosent it?

Center right is just a convenient term for accommodation rather than pointing out any real positions that actually exist by real world examples including but not limited to mass surveillance, invasions of people's privacy, tracking activity like bank accounts, creating barricaded free speech zones , nanny state restrictions, limitations on speech, protected classes of people, and a plethora more of a vast degradation of freedoms once enjoyed in the past that no longer exist.

 

[SomeRandom]

Terms do change over the ages dosent it?

Center right is just a convenient term for accommodation rather than pointing out any real positions that actually exist by real world examples including but not limited to mass surveillance, invasions of people's privacy, tracking activity like bank accounts, creating barricaded free speech zones , nanny state restrictions, limitations on speech, protected classes of people, and a plethora more of a vast degradation of freedoms once enjoyed in the past that no longer exist.

Fair point. I’d imagine there’s probably a mixture of positions among your parties, yeah?
Still relatively speaking (in an international sense) America doesn’t really have a left wing. You effectively chased them away during the Cold War, basically.
(That’s an oversimplification but you know what I mean.)
What I’ve seen Americans deem “left wing ideas” are common place in many other countries. Sometimes even supported by the right wing of said countries.
So it fascinates me whenever someone in America decries the left wing.
It’s like when we rail against big pharma for making too much money. Sure that’s a legitimate issue. But in my country pharma has to prove to be cost effective before my government even buys what they’re selling.
It just seems so odd to me

 

[Guitar's Cry]

And that is right. Schools are not learning institutions anymore. Activism seems to be the modern day curriculum nowadays.

That's not correct.

 

[Kooky]

Terms do change over the ages dosent it?

Center right is just a convenient term for accommodation rather than pointing out any real positions that actually exist by real world examples including but not limited to mass surveillance, invasions of people's privacy, tracking activity like bank accounts, creating barricaded free speech zones , nanny state restrictions, limitations on speech, protected classes of people, and a plethora more of a vast degradation of freedoms once enjoyed in the past that no longer exist.

Since they have implemented or continue to maintain most of the policies you list here, would you say that the US Republican party is "socialist" or "left wing"?