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Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Educators in Oklahoma are refusing a state order to incorporate the Bible into their lesson plans, setting up an inevitable showdown with the start of the school year just weeks away. State Superintendent Ryan Walters last week released guidelines to schools for how they should be integrating the Bible into classrooms, saying educators who are against the initiative “will comply, and I will use every means to make sure of it.”

The message from some schools in the state: Bring it on.

“I suspect that the first thing that will happen is he will target a specific school district or multiple school districts who he believes are not complying with his directive, those school districts will then have to make a choice as to whether to bend his whim or to sue,” said Rob Miller, superintendent of Bixby Public Schools. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill.

Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence. The guidance also says a physical copy of the book should be in every classroom, along with copies of the Ten Commandments, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill. . . .

But ultimately, Miller said the goal may be to garner headlines and get the mandate before the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

“I believe that what the state superintendent intends, because he has voiced this out loud, is that he would like to be sued, because he would like to see this issue move through the court system to the United States Supreme Court, where I think there’s a faction of people who believe that the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court might be favorable towards this type of policy,” he said.


 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
The Republican politician involved ran for his office in 2022, and his term will end in 2027. In Oklahoma, pretty much every Republican walks into office when they win the party's endorsement and nomination, and this one is pretty extreme. However, this controversy is unlikely to survive a court challenge at the state level, let alone the federal level. It may just be intended to keep him in the limelight while he sets his sights on a run for higher office in the state. The religion card plays well in that state.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Educators in Oklahoma are refusing a state order to incorporate the Bible into their lesson plans, setting up an inevitable showdown with the start of the school year just weeks away. State Superintendent Ryan Walters last week released guidelines to schools for how they should be integrating the Bible into classrooms, saying educators who are against the initiative “will comply, and I will use every means to make sure of it.”

The message from some schools in the state: Bring it on.

“I suspect that the first thing that will happen is he will target a specific school district or multiple school districts who he believes are not complying with his directive, those school districts will then have to make a choice as to whether to bend his whim or to sue,” said Rob Miller, superintendent of Bixby Public Schools. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill.

Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence. The guidance also says a physical copy of the book should be in every classroom, along with copies of the Ten Commandments, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill. . . .

But ultimately, Miller said the goal may be to garner headlines and get the mandate before the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

“I believe that what the state superintendent intends, because he has voiced this out loud, is that he would like to be sued, because he would like to see this issue move through the court system to the United States Supreme Court, where I think there’s a faction of people who believe that the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court might be favorable towards this type of policy,” he said.


"I believe that the best way to become an atheist is to read the bible." - Penn Jillette

Teaching the Bible has much room for malicious compliance.
 

Tamino

Active Member
Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence.
Tbh, that sounds like a good idea... in a country where literalism and propaganda are widespread, a little education at school might be good.
- historical context: such as the physical impossibility of a Young Earth, the lack of archaeological sources for any biblical stories in the Bronze Age, the late onset of actual Jewish monotheism and Torah and the fact that the gospels were finalized decades after Jesus' death.
- literary significance: oh yes, finally! Students should know about the rich literary tradition of the ancient Near East and how the Bible is but one example of this broad inheritance. They should learn how the Old Testament picks up influences from Babylonian myths, ancient canaanite religion, Bronze Age hymnic poetry and Egyptian wisdom instructions, while the new testament shows engagement with Jewish apocalyptic sects and neoplatonist philosophy.
- artistic: oh yeah, show them all those famous paintings with biblical subjects. And prepare for the outrage when the parents notice how Adam in the Sistine Chapel is naked, with no fig leaf in sight.
- musical: very interesting as well... you could teach how the development of modern western harmonies in music is a pretty late development, and how early Christian monastic chants may have sounded more like a Muslim call to prayer.

@Heyo malicious compliance is definitely the way to go
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
"I believe that the best way to become an atheist is to read the bible." - Penn Jillette

Teaching the Bible has much room for malicious compliance.

Brilliant. Here's the open door:

Grade-level specific guidelines apply to students in fifth through 12th grades. They require students to analyze literary elements of biblical stories and to identify how those have impacted Western culture. For high school students, it entails assigned essays on the Bible’s role in literature, history and culture. Pieces of art and music inspired by the Bible are also required to be taught.​


This Oklahoma Superintendent Ryan Walters is a real piece of work. What an example of be careful what you wish for (who you vote for).

 
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Tamino

Active Member
Brilliant. Here's the open door:

Grade-level specific guidelines apply to students in fifth through 12th grades. They require students to analyze literary elements of biblical stories and to identify how those have impacted Western culture. For high school students, it entails assigned essays on the Bible’s role in literature, history and culture. Pieces of art and music inspired by the Bible are also required to be taught.​
Uh, wow, that door is indeed wide open to teach a critical historical analysis of the bible. Can I be a high school teacher, please? I have so many ideas for those essays:
"The Old Testament and its role in cementing patriarchal gender stereotypes"
"The ten commandments as compared to the law of Hammurabi"
"The instruction of Amenemope: does Proverbs teach Ancient Egyptian ethics?"
"The history of the apocalypse: 2000 years of failed predictions"
"Is Utnapishtim the original Noah?"
"A priestess of Jahwe in Elephantine: Jewish cult before the Torah"
"Paul's influence on the message of Jesus"
"Was Jesus of Nazareth a socialist? - examples of social reform and common ownership of resources in the gospels."
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Tbh, that sounds like a good idea... in a country where literalism and propaganda are widespread, a little education at school might be good.
- historical context: such as the physical impossibility of a Young Earth, the lack of archaeological sources for any biblical stories in the Bronze Age, the late onset of actual Jewish monotheism and Torah and the fact that the gospels were finalized decades after Jesus' death.
- literary significance: oh yes, finally! Students should know about the rich literary tradition of the ancient Near East and how the Bible is but one example of this broad inheritance. They should learn how the Old Testament picks up influences from Babylonian myths, ancient canaanite religion, Bronze Age hymnic poetry and Egyptian wisdom instructions, while the new testament shows engagement with Jewish apocalyptic sects and neoplatonist philosophy.
- artistic: oh yeah, show them all those famous paintings with biblical subjects. And prepare for the outrage when the parents notice how Adam in the Sistine Chapel is naked, with no fig leaf in sight.
- musical: very interesting as well... you could teach how the development of modern western harmonies in music is a pretty late development, and how early Christian monastic chants may have sounded more like a Muslim call to prayer.

@Heyo malicious compliance is definitely the way to go
Most important is how the Bible was integral to the
expansion of the country. Manifest Destiny allowed
expulsion & killing any Indians in their way.
Of couse, we know that the goal of OK Christian
theocrats is to teach only their positive views on
Christianity & the Bible.

In short....
It's not using the Bible to teach history.
It's cherry picking history to teach the Bible.
 

Tamino

Active Member
Most important is how the Bible was integral to the
expansion of the country. Manifest Destiny allowed
expulsion & killing any Indians in their way.
Oooohhh true, in America that would be a huge aspect. More essay topics right there.
Of couse, we know that the goal of OK Christian
theocrats is to teach only their positive views on
Christianity & the Bible.

In short....
It's not using the Bible to teach history.
It's cherry picking history to teach the Bible.
Yeah, but as long as they don't openly admit that, you can turn it around on them and teach history instead ...
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Oooohhh true, in America that would be a huge aspect. More essay topics right there.

Yeah, but as long as they don't openly admit that, you can turn it around on them and teach history instead ...
I teach Christians on RF regularly.
French too!
(@ChristineM is me top student.)
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Educators in Oklahoma are refusing a state order to incorporate the Bible into their lesson plans, setting up an inevitable showdown with the start of the school year just weeks away. State Superintendent Ryan Walters last week released guidelines to schools for how they should be integrating the Bible into classrooms, saying educators who are against the initiative “will comply, and I will use every means to make sure of it.”

The message from some schools in the state: Bring it on.

“I suspect that the first thing that will happen is he will target a specific school district or multiple school districts who he believes are not complying with his directive, those school districts will then have to make a choice as to whether to bend his whim or to sue,” said Rob Miller, superintendent of Bixby Public Schools. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill.

Walters’s guidance, which follows a June announcement of the mandatory biblical curricula for grades 5 through 12, says that lessons on the Christian text should emphasize its historical context, literary significance and artistic and musical influence. The guidance also says a physical copy of the book should be in every classroom, along with copies of the Ten Commandments, the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. “And I can tell you that if Bixby was one of those schools that he selected to come after, we would file a lawsuit,” Miller told The Hill. . . .

But ultimately, Miller said the goal may be to garner headlines and get the mandate before the conservative-leaning Supreme Court.

“I believe that what the state superintendent intends, because he has voiced this out loud, is that he would like to be sued, because he would like to see this issue move through the court system to the United States Supreme Court, where I think there’s a faction of people who believe that the current composition of the U.S. Supreme Court might be favorable towards this type of policy,” he said.


Fire every one who revolted. The time has come to stop being nice to leftists. Look what happened when Chamberlain tried being nice to hitler.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
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Of course it is. Decent people have been too nice to leftists for too long.
LOL! Decent people are "leftists" these days. MAGA's are today's supporters of Hitler. Seriously. You screwed up. Here is what JD Vance said about Trump:

'“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical ******* like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler. How’s that for discouraging?” '
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
LOL! Decent people are "leftists" these days. MAGA's are today's supporters of Hitler. Seriously. You screwed up. Here is what JD Vance said about Trump:

'“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical ******* like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler. How’s that for discouraging?” '
The hatred leftists have for Trump has made them blind and stupid.
 
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